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1973 08 31 Rome Italy 131.34 Aud MC (UMRU-N-Lite-walk-fl-ZP)
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Post 2007-07-10 07:56   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
August 31st 1973
Roma, Italy

**Note: If you came here from the Catalogue, scroll down to the FAQ to see more details on the "remastering" involved here - I assure you that it's got nothing to do with most of the "remasters" that we all know too well.**

A very, very enjoyable show - like many others from the late 1973 European run. Like many others from the late 1973 European run, we get some tomfoolery during the encores (in this case, one of the last known performances of the beast known as "Farther O'Blivion", slinking its way out of what was once a typical Green Genes / King Kong medley). And, this show, like many others from the late 1973 European run, features a Dupree's Paradise that clocks in at just under 30 minutes.

Thanks to the generosity of UMRU (also known as Zappalfredo), we recently obtained what I would consider the definitive version of this show, in terms of both sound quality and length. Like many others from the late 1973 European run, this show has both.

And thanks to the hard work of (in order of appearance) flambay, Overnitefreak, MrUMRK, DLHotch, N-Lite, and walk, the super-definitive version of this show, like many others from the late 1973 European run, is available for your listening pleasure.

Frank Zappa - guitar & vocals
Ruth Underwood - percussion
Ian Underwood - horns & keyboards
Jean-Luc Ponty - electric violin
Ralph Humphrey - drums
Tom Fowler - bass
Bruce Fowler - trombone
George Duke - keyboards & vocals

From FZShows:
31-Aug 1973, Palasport, Roma, Italy
129 min, Aud, B/B-
Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue, Kung Fu, Penguin In Bondage, Dog Meat, RDNZL, Montana, Dupree's Paradise, Village Of The Sun, Echidna's Arf, Don't You Ever Wash That Thing?, Cosmik Debris, Arrivederci Roma, Brown Shoes Don't Make It (incl. Arrivederci Roma), Son Of Mr Green Genes/King Kong/Chunga's Revenge

(take a deep breath)

This copy: 131.34, MC, B/B- (patch from 2nd gen, also B/B-)

Zappalfredo: AUD (Castelli cassette recorder, sides A & B on Agfa low noise C90 cassette, side C on Sanyo C-120) > JVC TD-W254 cassette deck > Cool Edit 96 (digitized & tracked) > .FLAC level 8 > ZP

ZP: .FLACs from Zappalfredo > FLAC FrontEnd (decoded to 16 bit, 48000hz .WAV) > GoldWave (batch conversion to 16 bit 44.1khz .WAV) > WavMerge (tracks 1-12, 13-19 joined (two separate files)) >

Tracks 1-12: GoldWave (right channel removed, replaced with left channel)
Tracks 13-17: GoldWave (converted to mono)

> WaveLab (pitch correction - tracks 1-12 +30 cts, tracks 13-14 +40 cts, tracks 15-16 +50 cts, tracks 17-19 +40 cts) > WavMerge (all tracks joined) > GoldWave (pop/click filter between old tracks, 1000 tolerance save for between Penguin in Bondage and Excercise Four, which is 300 tolerance) > CDWav (tracks split, saved as .FLAC level 8) >

Tracks 09 and 13: GoldWave (patched, see immediately below for patch lineage) >

foobar2000 (tags + ReplayGain written, the former with Live Show Tagger) > .torrented and seeded

Fill lineage: 2nd gen tape > Audiophile 2496 > wav CEP (tracked, slightly hiss-reduced) > flac (frontend) > ZP mega-processing fun-time brouhaha (track 09 pitch corrected +60 cts, track 13 pitch corrected +50 cts, both in WaveLab) > GoldWave (both tracks converted to mono, then crossfaded into appropriate places in respective files and, finally, lovingly de-clicked)

Bonus lineage: Track 09 same as above, minus cross-fading. Track 09 patch same as in fill lineage. Track 13 patch also same as in fill lineage.

I think that should cover everything.

01. Intro & tuning
02. Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue
03. Kung Fu
04. Penguin In Bondage
05. Exercise Four (Dog Meat)
07. dialogue
08. Montana
09. Dupree's Paradise [tapeflip @ 10:32, cross-faded with N-Lite/walk source between 10:29-10:36, no music missing]
10. Village Of The Sun
11. Echidna's Arf
12. Don't You Ever Wash That Thing?
13. Cosmik Debris [cuts in, first 5:51 patched from N-Lite/walk source, cross-faded between 5:51 and 6:05, no music missing]
14. Arrivederci Roma & crowd
15. Brown Shoes Don't Make It
16. Arrivederci Roma & crowd
17. Son Of Mr Green Genes
18. King Kong
19. Farther O'Blivion

Jon lists "Brown Shoes Don't Make It (incl. Arrivederci Roma)" - however, to my ears, Arrivederci Roma is set off on its own, coming after the conclusion of Brown Shoes. Hence the tracking.

Jon (and many others) list "Chunga's Revenge" as coming after King Kong. This is in err, as the song in question (as pointed out by flambay) is in fact "Farther O'Blivion". Hard to fault anyone, since originally this portion was only available on a tape rated as C/C-.

(indulge me here)

Q. So, in a nutshell, what's different here?
A. Glad you asked. First and foremost, the original files were 16 bit, 48000 Hz - in other words, a bit of an odd idiot bastard hybrid between CD audio (16 bit / 44100 Hz) and DAT audio (24 bit / 48000 Hz). These .FLACs have been downsampled to standard 16 bit, 44100 Hz waveforms - in other words, burning to a music CD should be a lot less of a hassle. Additonally, this has been speed corrected, patched, and a few sound errors (the result of tape wear) have been made more bearable. (important note: No hiss reduction has been done)

Q. What the heck is up with that gigantic lineage?
A. Funny you should ask! The original recording, as seeded by UMRU/Zappalfredo, contained two niggling annoyances. Sides A and B (particularly side B) suffered from a nagging "thump" in the right hand channel, no doubt mechanical in nature. Whilst reminiscing (dressed in a fancy robe, smoking a very expensive cigar and sipping the finest in Italian wine, or, as the Native Americans call it, "vino") with (or at) my colleagues, I likened this to, and I quote, "Chinese water torture... or back in grade school, when your little brother used to hold his fingers right near your forehead and go, 'I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!' [until you clocked him]". Additionally, side C suffered from being recorded on a C-120 cassette, and had picked up roughly one smorgasboard's worth of micro-dropouts in each channel. In the same be-robed, cigar'ed, and vino'd chit-chat, I was heard to utter the following bon mot: "downright maddening. Like standing outside on a muggy summer day while hundreds of little gnats swarmed around you".

Q. So what did you do about that?
A. Since this original recording was, in fact, monaural, I was able to treat each of these flaws, both in a slightly different way. For sides A and B (tracks 1-12), the right channel was eliminated, and replaced with the left. For side C (tracks 13-19), the entire recording was mixed to monaural.

Q. Why would you do such a thing? What exactly could the end result be?
A. For sides A and B, the thumping is eliminated. For side C, while not a perfect result, this makes for a much less annoying listen.

Q. So you got rid of the stereo image?
A. Technically, yes. I wish to assert that the original recording was made with a single, monaural microphone, and any "stereo image" was the result of wear and tear to the original tapes and/or tape heads.

Q. So no NR, EQ, random track markers, or other inanities? "Remastered" sounds so fishy...
A. Absolutely not! Nothing of the sort! The closest to "NR" that this remastering comes is from downsampling the original .FLACs - but the hiss is still there, just as it always was and probably should be. I liken this "remastering" to speed correction - while technically it's different from the original source tape, the process, I feel, brings it closer to the true intention of the recording itself, and the microphone therein.

Q. What if I'm not satisfied?
A. Everything I've tried, you don't like the way this show sounds to you! Well, the original Zappalfredo master remains on the tracker, like many others from the late 1973 European run, and you're more than welcome to peruse that. Freedom of choice - it's what you want, it's what you've got!

Q. "Bonus Rawities"?
A. Both "Dupree's Paradise" and "Cosmik Debris", from both the N-Lite/walk and UMRU/Zappalfredo sources, in both their speed-corrected entireties, without both the cross-fades and various sundry Zappa both Penguining which may or may not cause both convulsions or even cancer. Both of these downloads are entirely optional. (both!)

Q. Do I need 'em?
A. To be honest, only if you forsee that you will have a complaint with my cross-fades. The "bonus" folder is almost as big as the rest of the show itself, and honestly I don't recommend it to anyone - but still it remains, lurking there for the taking. Like many others from the late 1973 European run.

Q. Promise this isn't a "ConnecticutConjob"?
A. On a stack of uncirculated masters, I do!

  • Thanks to Zappalfredo for the original, deliciously raw .FLACs, and for graciously allowing me to go to:
  • Flambay, for speed correction, both for Zappalfredo's original .FLACs and for the fills, made available courtesy of:
  • N-Lite, who shared his 2nd generation alternate source, and:
  • walk, for tracking N-Lite's 2nd generation alternate source, and making it available via:
  • DLHotch, of the Dangerous Kitchen, whose archives, bandwidth, and generosity are virtually unparalleled, but whose archives I would not have plundered were it not for the mention made by:
  • MrUMRK, also of the Dangerous Kitchen, whose advice I only thought to seek thanks to the comment of:
  • Overnitefreak, who confirmed that the alternate source would in fact provide fills, and who proved to be the catalyst in the Byzantine reaction that eventually led me:
  • ZP, to tidy up ("remaster" is such a filthy word around these parts) Zappalfredo's .FLACs, apply flambay's speed correction, stitch the result together with walk's trackings of N-Lite's seed which was downloaded from DLHotch thanks to the mention by MrUMRK, vomit up a small smorgasboard worth of info.txt, .torrent and seed the thing to Zappateers, and hopefully manage to not fuck anything up too terribly much in the process.


730831-Roma - 01 Intro and tuning.flac:6ae9299e213aeb739fc9a013e592876a
730831-Roma - 02 Eric Dolphy Memorial BBQ.flac:d1026f66b3eac918982f980e5f0400a3
730831-Roma - 03 Kung Fu.flac:296864e3731e9bdafdfe3b2cd7b1d7ef
730831-Roma - 04 Penguin in Bondage.flac:fdc37e1c1d8d08323f71b4189f702b2e
730831-Roma - 05 Exercise Four.flac:e8d335ba1f6f3b2a624770ccb203f2d6
730831-Roma - 06 RDNZL.flac:c47e832be686d030d661fa534bc87a9d
730831-Roma - 07 dialogue.flac:76416222df5756daf2758155361497a1
730831-Roma - 08 Montana.flac:317fe76a7cb3effe56625c5fd2d96ad6
730831-Roma - 09 Dupree's Paradise.flac:6e87723e7fcc11fea2c6fcaf6854e4ea
730831-Roma - 10 Village of the Sun.flac:f0e0ba83ab62a8efab3b7c19317c72d1
730831-Roma - 11 Echidna's Arf (of You).flac:e6ae52b6cad95f31edd8f2af4f0c3ca7
730831-Roma - 12 Don't You Ever Wash That Thing.flac:109617214d2d6f2b2993e9020254f28a
730831-Roma - 13 Cosmik Debris.flac:fecc63ecee3a6e058d7800bce6b9c7ae
730831-Roma - 14 Arrivederci Roma.flac:190ae16b0eedf40343987d3d453832c3
730831-Roma - 15 Brown Shoes Don't Make It.flac:2f310ca7fca89a65650fcdeba9e8c86f
730831-Roma - 16 Arrivederci Roma.flac:6150df44d985a41630c1842bae5b7e1c
730831-Roma - 17 Son of Mr Green Genes.flac:c0fc62cfe9af194c3fff279dd342e040
730831-Roma - 18 King Kong.flac:417bc43e1c86c94d9e940904509dd34b
730831-Roma - 19 Farther O'Blivion.flac:e2c3f046fc7b1603c398d36d4b9fadb8

Bonus folder:
730831-Roma - 09 Dupree's Paradise (N-Lite).flac:33fa4f2c7e88ac0e6c1ece5996841d28
730831-Roma - 09 Dupree's Paradise (UMRU).flac:f272ce2e8a31d0e7dbb3643177eb0597
730831-Roma - 13 Cosmik Debris (N-Lite).flac:7f6c9baf7768e13700c236d4cdf6f60d
730831-Roma - 13 Cosmik Debris (UMRU).flac:eabc5f7aed1df996e9e9207b41e5a02f

Do not sell, fold, spindle, smoke, or otherwise mutiliate this recording.

Include this info file if trading.

Trading as a music CD-R is strongly discouraged. If you really want to spread potentially hazardous filth, the tobacco industry has an opening for you!


Seeded to Zappateers on July 10th, 2007 by ZappaPenguin

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Post 2007-07-10 08:22   [Quote] 
Thank you all for your hard work. Exclamation
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It's getting to the point where i like your writings more than the music Wink
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Post 2007-07-10 09:07   [Quote] 
hasnamus wrote:
It's getting to the point where i like your writings more than the music Wink

Uh-oh... now that's a warning sign... any other band, no problem, but nothing should come between a Zappateer and his Zappa!

Hope this show brings you back to your senses! Laughing
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Post 2007-07-10 09:52   [Quote] 
Zappa Penguin wrote:
(dressed in a fancy robe, smoking a very expensive cigar and sipping the finest in Italian wine, or, as the Native Americans call it, "vino")

Oh No, I can't believe they talks like native Italians.

Thanks for the seed.
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Zappa Penguin,
Thank You for striving to make this show the best available ! Here's to you. prost

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Post 2007-07-10 11:04   [Quote] 
A bunch of thank yous, Zappa Penguin! Smile

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Many thanks for another show....

anyone have any Zappa Spain Recordings ? zappa ha some Shows
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Massive thanks for all your hard work on this one, 1973 tour is poss my fave...
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Post 2007-07-10 16:06   [Quote] 
Zappa Penguin wrote:
19. Farther O'Blivion

Jon (and many others) list "Chunga's Revenge" as coming after King Kong. This is in err, as the song in question (as pointed out by flambay) is in fact "Farther O'Blivion".

technically, the song in question is Bebop Tango, and you could add with heavy variations or solos or both, however convenient it may be to call what takes place there. This designation would be consistent with the Un-Concert's, and with the way Farther Oblivion is introduced by FZ on Imaginary Diseases: "the name of this song is Farther Oblivion, and it has a tango in the middle of it." The tango in the middle of it is the part that starts at 4:49 (on Imaginary Diseases). What counts against calling it Farther Oblivion here is the fact that Farther Oblivion in its complete form, with the opening theme plus the short Greggery Peccary section, was performed regularly throughout the tour, on the US, Australian and European legs, including the night before in Bologna.

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