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06b. 1974 - The Mothers Of Invention - part 2 (Sep - Dec '74)  
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Post 2006-09-09 10:55   [Quote] 
1974 - The Mothers Of Invention - Pt. 2: Sep. - Dec. '74

Info about band and repertoire at POMD, complete setlists at FZShows

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Arrow Pt. 1: Oct. '73 - Aug. '74

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1974 European Tour : September - October

For this tour are known 16 unofficially taped shows (incl. 5 SBD/FM) and one soundcheck

Official releases:
- the whole YCDTOSA2 - The Helsinki Concert(s) (also the Inca Roads guitar solo in One Size Fits All and, probably, a Florentine Pogen fragment in YCDTOSA4 come from there),
- one track in FZPTMOFZ;
- a guitar solo contained in Quaudiophiliac.
Some other solos from this tour are available from a 1978 FZ radio broadcast.

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1974 09 07 Udine, Italy - Aud 90min B-
• on the tracker : 1974 09 07 Udine IT 92.23 AUD (M-walk-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2010-04-16
- before zappateers : walk (92.16 unknown gen)

1974 09 08 Bologna, Italy - Aud 115min B+
• on the tracker : 1974 09 08 Bologna IT 114.28 AUD (Chunga's Revenge-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2010-11-23
- boot on the tracker : Our Man In Italy - 1974 09 08 Bologna 54.26 Aud CD (The Bastard Son)
- before zappateers : walk (113.23 unknown gen)


1974 09 09 Milano, Italy - Aud 105min A/A- Exclamation
• two unfixed versions on the tracker :
          * 1974 09 09 Milano Italy 103.16 Aud (BengoFury) unknown gen - reseeded by erroneous 2006-03-21
          * 1974 09 09 Milano Italy Aud 79.14 Aud (38F~erroneous) MC ? - seeded 2006-03-21
these versions are from the two different recodings known, both, in a way or another, doesn't follow zappateers standards and are not patched
- before zappateers : fredfox unknown gen (100.13)

1974 09 11 Wien, Austria
Early show - 80 min, A-/B+ Smile
• two different recordings on the tracker :
          * 1974 09 11 Early Vienna Austria 77:54 AUD (WIU2B) unknown gen - seeded 2006-02-11
          * 1974 09 11 (E) Vienna Austria 76.13 AUD 1st (bsulon-pbuzby) seeded 2008-02-10
• in the shoebox : 1974 09 11 Kurhalle, Wien, Austria E + L (RobSam doctorzap) seeded 2011-09-23
- archived : 1974 09 11 Early Vienna 78.25 Aud (flyingtoAdel) unknown gen, same recording as bsulon
- before zappateers : sibbz (71.14), later tweaked by boguspomp (71.10)

Late show - Aud 110 A-/B+ Smile
• two different recordings on the tracker :
          * 1974 09 11 (L) Vienna, Austria 99.40 Aud (flambay-Chunga's Revenge) unknown gen - seeded 2008-03-29
          * 1974 09 11 (L) Vienna Austria 100.07 AUD 1st (bsulon-pbuzby) seeded 2008-03-16
• in the shoebox : 1974 09 11 Kurhalle, Wien, Austria E + L (RobSam doctorzap) seeded 2011-09-23
- archived : 1974 09 11 Late Vienna 97.58 Aud (xxxxxxxxx) unknown gen

1974 09 12 Frankfurt, Germany
Soundcheck - Aud 35min B+/B
• on the tracker : 1974 09 12 Frankfurt soundcheck 37.43 Aud (Yojimbo) unknown gen - seeded 2006-02-11
Early show - Aud 75min B+
• on the tracker : 1974 09 12 (E) Frankfurt DE 73.58 AUD (Yojimbo-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2009-11-11
different recordings are known for this show and the version above is patched
Late show - Aud 120min B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 09 12 (L) Frankfurt DE 125.42 AUD MC (GS-Walk-Flambay-Overnitefreak) seeded 2013-06-10
different recordings are known for this show and the version above is patched
- before zappateers : walk (MC - 122.36)

1974 09 14 Berlin, Germany - Aud 110min B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 09 14 Berlin DE 112.03 AUD 1st (ecki-walk-flambay) seeded 2013-07-22
different recordings exist for this show, the version above is patched
- before zappateers : the version above unpatched (109.25) has circulated for Zappateers Listening Session #146

1974 09 16 Hamburg, Germany - Aud 130min B+
• on the tracker : 1974 09 16 Hamburg Germany 132.03 Aud (av) 4th gen from cdrs - seeded 2005-09-02
• in the shoebox : 1974 09 16 Hamburg DE 1st (fzmoi69 doctorzap) DR-1 restored 2011-06-18
- before zappateers : walk incomplete (115.04 - unknown generation)

1974 09 20 Kψbenhavn, Denmark
SBD tape - 30min A-
• on the tracker : 1974 09 20 Copenhagen DK 30.32 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2011-11-03
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived : 1974 09 20 Copenhagen DK 25.33 SBD MC (bburnett) not speed corrected
Aud tape - Aud 120min B-
• on the tracker : 1974 09 20 Copenhagen, Denmark 117.55 Aud (Yojimbo-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2008-02-25
• in the shoebox : 1974 09 20 Copenhagen 2nd (B.M. doctorzap) DR-1 seeded 2011-06-26

1974 09 25 Gφteborg, Sweden late show - SBD 105min A-/B+
• on the tracker : 1974 09 25 Gothenburg SE 105.04 SBD 2nd (fzmoi69-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2011-07-19
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 09 25 Gothenburg Sweden 106.24 SBD (blackpage) 2nd gen unfixed
          * 1974 09 25 Gothenburg Sweden 95.00 SBD (bburnett) wrong speed shoebox
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 shoebox
          * 1974 09 25 dubline 2 unknown gen inc DR-1 (fzmoi69 doctorzap) shoebox


1974 09 27 Paris, France - FM 10min B Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 09 27 Paris FR 10.30 FM 1st (unclemeat-flambay) seeded 2009-09-04

1974 09 29 Bruxelles, Belgium - 115min B- and 55min B+
• on the tracker : 1974 09 29 Brussels BE 121.31 AUD (doctorzap-Yojimbo-flambay) unknown gen - restored 2011-06-15
different recordings exist for this show, the seed above is patched
• in the shoebox : 1974 09 29 Brussels 2nd gen (B.M. doctorzap) DR-1 seeded 2011-07-15

- archived :
          * 1974 09 29 Brussels 2 sources 2nd gen (doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 09 29 Bruxelles Belgium 57.02 Aud (walk) short source, unknown gen


1974 10 01 Basel, Switzerland
Early show: -
SBD tape - 95min A
• on the tracker : 1974 10 01 (E) Basel CH 97.10 SBD 2nd (fzmoi69-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-04-16
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 10 01 (E) Basel CH 96.52 SBD 2nd (fzmoi69-doctorzap-flambay) unfixed
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 shoebox
          * 1974 10 01 E Basel Switzerland 89.47 SBD MC (bburnett-jaypfunk) wrong speed and tracking
- before zappateers : boguspomp (unknown gen - 97.29)

AUD tape - 90min B/B-
• on the tracker : 1974 10 01 (E) Basel CH 96.06 AUD MC (Team William Tell-flambay-pbuzby) seeded 2016-12-30

Late show - SBD 105min A
• on the tracker : 1974 10 01 (L) Basel CH 104.36 SBD 2nd (fzmoi69-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2011-07-11
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 shoebox
          * 1974 10 01 L Basel Switzerland 97.12 SBD MC (bburnett-jaypfunk) wrong speed and tracking
- before zappateers : boguspomp (unknown gen - 105.11)


1974 10 03 Marseille, France - Aud 90min B-/C+
• on the tracker : 1974 10 03 Marseille FR 89.05 AUD (Hoosac92-Kristoftof) unknown gen - seeded 2009-10-30

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1974 Last North American Tour : October - December

For this tour are known 20 unofficially taped shows (incl. 11 sbd) and 1 soundheck/rehearsal

Only a few songs from the Passaic 1974 11 08 early show are officially released in YCDTOSA1 and YCDTOSA4, a more complete version of this soundboard is available on side 1 of The Rondo Hatton Band boot, part of the Mystery Box (10 Records set). A couple of live snippets from this tour are also available on One Shot Deal.

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1974 10 28 Waterbury, CT - Aud 10min B+/B-
• on the tracker : 1974 10 28 Waterbury CT 12.01 AUD (BobM-doctorzap-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2012-03-30

1974 10 29 Harrisburg, PA - SBD 90min A
• on the tracker : 1974 10 29 Harrisburg PA 90.27 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-04-02
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (fzmoi-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 10 29 Harrisburg PA 90.45 SBD MC/3rd (jaypfunk) unfixed
          * 1974 10 29 Harrisburg PA SBD 2nd 24/96 (fzmoi69-doctorzap) obsolete 24bit shoebox
- before zappateers : BengoFury incomplete (81.58)


1974 10 31 New York City, NY
Early show - Aud 110min A- Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 10 31 (E) Felt Forum NYC 112.23 AUD MC (TheGrape-Bengofury-JWB) seeded 2015-05-19
• in the shoebox : 1974 10 31 Felt Forum, New York, NY E+L (RobSam doctorzap) seeded 2011-10-03
- archived :1974 10 31 Early Felt Forum NYC 111.00 Aud (GrapeMan-BengoFury)
Late show - Aud 125min A- Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 10 31 (L) Felt Forum NYC 127.21 AUD MC (SH-Yojimbo-doctorzap-flambay-JWB) seeded 2015-05-21
• in the shoebox :
          * 1974 10 31 Felt Forum, New York, NY E+L (RobSam doctorzap) seeded 2011-10-03
          * 1974 10 31 (L) Felt Forum NY 129.58 Aud 1st gen (fzmoi69-doctorzap) seeded 2009-10-01
- archived :1974 10 31 Late Felt Forum NYC Aud 125.39 MC (Yojimbo)

1974 11 01 Landover, MD - Aud 75min B+ Smile Exclamation
• unfixed version on the tracker : 1974 11 01 Landover MD 75.19 (flambay globual) 1st gen from cdr - seeded 2006-02-28
old seed, doesn't meets some of today's zappateers standards
- before zappateers : sibbz (74.26)

1974 11 06 Pittsburgh, PA - SBD 60min A
• on the tracker : 1974 11 06 Pittsburgh PA 59.14 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-04-28
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 11 06 Pittsburgh PA 59.12 SBD 3rd (BM-doctorzap-flambay) old version
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 shoebox
          * 1974 11 06 L Pittsburg PA 52.58 SBD MC(bburnett-jaypfunk) wrong speed and other problems
- before zappateers : fredgsanford (1st gen - 57.43) later remastered by boguspomp (59.51)


1974 11 08 Passaic, NJ
Early show
Aud Tape - 115min A-/B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 08 (E) Passaic NJ 112.15 AUD MC (theGrape-pbuzby) seeded 2008-02-10
- archived : 1974 11 08 (E) Passaic NJ 115.32 AUD MC (the Grape - ZP) not speed corrected
- before zappateers : original grapeman masterclone (115.17)

SBD Tape - 20min A-
• on the tracker : 1974 11 08 (E) Passaic NJ 18.24 SBD (Drew51-flambay) unknown gen - seeded 2008-04-02
• in the shoebox : 1974 11 08 Capitol Theater, Passaic, NJ sbd (RobSam doctorzap) seeded 2011-09-02
- boot on the tracker : side 1 of The Rondo Hatton Band, part of the Mystery Box 10 Records set
this is partially on official releases, see top of this section for more details
Late show - Aud 120min B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 08 (L) Passaic, NJ 119.25 Aud MC (Grape~j~fl~zachy) seeded 2006-09-26
info file could be improved
- before zappateers : original grapeman masterclone grapeman masterclone (122.07)

1974 11 09 Boston, MA
Early show
SBD tape - 90min A/A-
• on the tracker : 1974 11 09 (E) Boston MA 92.07 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-06-16
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 11 09 (E) Boston MA 92.29 SBD 3rd (Jaypfunk-Yojimbo-K'toftof) old version
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (doctorzap) shoebox
- before zappateers : original jaypfunk 3rd gen (90.33), boguspomp (92.01 - unknown gen)

Aud tape - 90min B
• on the tracker : 1974 11 09 (E) Boston MA 88.18 Aud (Yojimbo-K'toftof) unknown gen - seeded 2009-07-03
• in the shoebox : 1974 11 09 Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA Early show 2nd gen (Bob M doctorzap) seeded by doctorzap 2011-08-27
Late show
SBD + Aud tape - A/A- 125 min
• on the tracker : 1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA 123.44 SBD-AUD 2nd (RobSam-BobM-DrZap-fl-Overnitefreak) seeded 2012-05-01
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA 123.33 SBD-AUD (RobSam-BobM-DrZap-fl-Overnitefreak) old version
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 SBD shoebox
          * 1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA 117.26 Aud-Sbd (Jaypfunk-Yojimbo-MrU-K'tof) old version
          * 1974 11 09 (L) Boston 117.15 Aud-Sbd (Jaypfunk-Yojimbo-K'tof) unfixed
- before zappateers : jaypfunk from 3rd generation (73.50), clancywiggum (73.05) unknown gen

Aud + SBD tape - 125min B/C+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA 123.03 AUD 1st-2nd (BobM-RobSam-DrZap-fl-Overnitefreak) seeded 2012-04-24
two aud recordings exist for this show, the version above is patched (also with the SBD)
- archived :
          * 1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA 123.38 AUD-SBD (BobM-RobSam-DrZap-fl-Overnitefreak) previous not fully patched version
          * 1974 11 09 (L) Boston 63.38 Aud (Yojimbo-Kristoftof) old version, aud only
          * 1974 11 09 Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA Late show 2nd gen (Bob M doctorzap) aud shoebox


1974 11 14 Rochester, NY - SBD 30min A/A-
• on the tracker : 1974 11 14 Rochester NY 30.49 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2011-10-27
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- boot on the tracker : Frank Zappa Brings Yellow Snow to Rochester & Buffalo - 1974 CD (Arf A Mo-PompeyNeil)
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (dzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 14 Rochester NY 22 SBD MC (bburnett-enggopah) incomplete


1974 11 15 Buffalo, NY - SBD 80min A/A-
• on the tracker : 1974 11 15 Buffalo NY 80.52 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-03-24
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (fzmoi-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 15 Buffalo sbd (barber samler fzmoi69 doctorzap) redo dr-1 shoebox
          * 1974 11 15 Buffalo NY 81.21 SBD 1st (nevoeiro) old version
          * 1974 11 15 Buffalo NY SBD 2nd 24/96 (fzmoi69-doctorzap) obsolete 24bit shoebox
- before zappateers : fredgsanford (78.13)


1974 11 17 Philadelphia, PA
SBD tape - 150min A+/A Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 17 Philadelphia PA 155.55 SBD MC (bburnett-Yojimbo-robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-03-23
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- boot on the tracker : Bubble Cream Cheese - 1974 11 17 Philadelphia PA SBD (Alyks - 145.04)
- archived :
          * 1974 11 17 Philadelphia 155.40 MC SBD w. 1st gen AUD fills (bburnett-Yojimbo) old version
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (fzmoi-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 17 Philadelphia PA 149.30 (and not 116.20) SBD MC (bburnett) unfixed

Aud tape - Aud 145min B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 17 Philadelphia 157.27 1st gen Aud (Yojimbo) seeded 2009-05-28

1974 11 19 Columbus, OH
Aud tape - 90min B+/B Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 19 Columbus OH 88.40 AUD MC (Audience Tape Guy-Flambay-Galeans) seeded 2017-03-26

1974 11 20 Dayton, OH
Aud tape - 70min A-/B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 20 Dayton OH 68.12 AUD MC (Audience Tape Guy) seeded 2017-02-01

1974 11 23 East Lansing, MI - SBD 125min A+/A Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 23 East Lansing MI 123.07 SBD 2nd (blackpage-Drew51-The Evil Prince) restored 2011-06-15
• in the shoebox : 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 seeded by doctorzap 2011-06-29
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05 the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 11 23 East Lansing MI 129.38 SBD (Sanjuro) unknown gen, unfixed
          * 1974 11 23 East Lansing MI 123.06 SBD MC (bburnett) unfixed


1974 11 26 Lincoln, NE - Aud 80min B Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 26 Lincoln NE 84.26 Aud (Hoosac92-Kristoftof) 1st gen - seeded 2008-04-19

1974 11 27 St. Paul, MN
SBD tape - 125min A+/A
• on the tracker : 1974 11 27 St.Paul MN 130.03 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-04-27
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (fzmoi-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 27 St Paul MN 124.22 SBD MC (Yojimbo~jf~fl) from CDR - unpatched
          * 1974 11 27 St.Paul MN 124.47 SBD 1st gen (EasyEd-fl-ZP) unpatched
          * 1974 11 27 St.Paul MN 122.34 SBD 1st (EasyEd) unfixed
          * 1974 11 27 St Paul 123.43 SBD MC (Yojimbo) unfixed

Aud tape - 130min B/B- Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 27 St.Paul MN 130.33 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-03-15
- archived :
          * 1974 11 27 St Paul, MN Aud Master (J.S. doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 27 St Paul, MN 132.39 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap) older shoebox


1974 11 29 Naperville, IL - SBD 60min A-
• on the tracker : 1974 11 29 Naperville IL 62.15 SBD 2nd (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) seeded 2012-03-26
- archived :
          * 1974 tour barber sbd's DR-1 (fzmoi-doctorzap shoebox
          * 1974 11 29 Naperville IL SBD 2nd [24/96] (fzmoi69-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 29 Naperville IL 62.28 SBD (Cookie Manager-Kristoftof) unknown gen
          * 1974 11 29 Naperville IL 62.28 SBD (Hoosac92-Cookie Manager-Ktof) unknown gen
          * 1974 11 29 Naperville IL 62.28 Sbd (Hoosac92-Cookie Manager-Ktof) unfixed
          * 1974 11 29 Naperville IL 62.28 Sbd (Cookie_Manager-Kristoftof) unfixed


1974 11 30 Naperville, IL - Aud 125min B+ Smile
• on the tracker : 1974 11 30 Naperville IL 123.50 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap-The Evil Prince) seeded 2009-11-15
• 24bit shoebox : the final pass barber plus 2496 raw seeded 2014-03-05
archived :
          * 1974 11 30 Naperville, IL 122.17 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap) shoebox
          * 1974 11 30 Naperville IL 120.39 AUD B+ (WIU2B) unknown gen


1974 12 03 Cleveland, OH - Aud 90min B-/C+
• on the tracker : 1974 12 03 Cleveland OH 90.11 Aud (Yojimbo) unknown gen - seeded 2008-04-12

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1974 12 31 Long Beach, CA
soundcheck - previously listed as 1974 12 ?? unknown venue, CA rehearsal/soundcheck - Aud 15min B Exclamation
• unfixed version on the tracker : 1974 12 xx SC Long Beach CA Ώ 16.16 Aud (BengoFury) unknown gen - seeded 2006-09-24, with a little fill by Hoosac92-Kristoftof
show - Aud 135min B+
• on the tracker : 1974 12 31 Long Beach CA 132.37 AUD (Hoosac92-kristoftof) unknown gen - seeded by ZappaPenguin 2009-08-07
- archived : 1974 12 31 Long Beach CA 132.37 Aud (Hoosac92-kristoftof) unknown gen, unfixed

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