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Post 2017-02-15 17:22   [Quote] 
I only just realized that David Logeman was used IN BETWEEN stints with Vinnie. Strange. I always thought that Logeman was brought in when Frank fired Vinnie, but it seems that was not the case. Does anyone know more? Was Vinnie just not available at certain times in 1980?

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Post 2017-02-15 17:35   [Quote] 
Vinnie left in February '80 after rehearsing with the six-piece lineup as well as recording the "I Don't Wanna Get Drafted" single. Logeman seems to be on record saying that Vinnie tried to squeeze a raise and FZ fired, but then maybe Vinnie sought out better paying jobs himself and left FZ on his own volition. He definitely tried to squeeze a raise in 1981 and was definitively sacked.
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Post 2017-02-15 18:09   [Quote] 
In 1980 Vinnie took session work playing with Gino Vannelli and Pages (a band from the guys who later formed Mr. Mister) that conflicted with FZ's tour.
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Post 2017-02-16 01:16   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
In 1980 Vinnie took session work playing with Gino Vannelli and Pages (a band from the guys who later formed Mr. Mister) that conflicted with FZ's tour.


What about the rehearsals with Jeff Berlin? I thought both Jeff and Vinnie asked for more and both got fired. Isn't that in the Occhiogrosso book?
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Post 2017-02-16 01:52   [Quote] 
rubbershirt wrote:
What about the rehearsals with Jeff Berlin? I thought both Jeff and Vinnie asked for more and both got fired. Isn't that in the Occhiogrosso book?

That was for an orchestral stupidity, not the tour in question.
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Post 2017-02-16 02:12   [Quote] 
drdork wrote:
rubbershirt wrote:
What about the rehearsals with Jeff Berlin? I thought both Jeff and Vinnie asked for more and both got fired. Isn't that in the Occhiogrosso book?

That was for an orchestral stupidity, not the tour in question.


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Post 2017-02-16 02:49   [Quote] 
I'm not sure if Logeman was correct that Vinnie also asked for a raise in 1980 (or perhaps asked if FZ could match the fees the session work offered) or if he was mixing this up with the 1981 Jeff Berlin incident.
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Post 2017-02-16 08:09   [Quote] 
Look, I dunno who was drumming when, but the title of the thread worried me at first. Just sayin'...
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Post 2017-02-16 11:28   [Quote] 
Don't think any musician that tried to squeeze a raise from FZ ever made a return. Sal Marquez out after OZ tour and FZ would not even have a trumpet player until Walt Fowler's brief sojourn. Vinnie gone forever after the orchestral stupidity. There must had been others, but can't recall for now.
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Post 2017-02-16 12:27   [Quote] 
It reminds me: does anyone have any idea why Jeff Simmons was fired in 74?

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Post 2017-02-16 13:37   [Quote] 
Ed Organmax wrote:
Don't think any musician that tried to squeeze a raise from FZ ever made a return. Sal Marquez out after OZ tour and FZ would not even have a trumpet player until Walt Fowler's brief sojourn. Vinnie gone forever after the orchestral stupidity. There must had been others, but can't recall for now.


Chad was able to get a raise for himself and the rest of the rhythm section in 1988, but we know what happened next.
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Post 2017-04-13 21:59   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
Ed Organmax wrote:
Don't think any musician that tried to squeeze a raise from FZ ever made a return. Sal Marquez out after OZ tour and FZ would not even have a trumpet player until Walt Fowler's brief sojourn. Vinnie gone forever after the orchestral stupidity. There must had been others, but can't recall for now.


Chad was able to get a raise for himself and the rest of the rhythm section in 1988, but we know what happened next.


Chad told FZ that he needed to be paid 2000 Dollars a week in 1988 or otherwise he wouldn't have done the tour. Consequently every "veteran musician", not just the rhythm section got a raise. In other words, apart from Keneally, Carman, McGettrick and Wing, every 88-band-member got paid 2000 Dollars. Not sure if Walt Fowler really qualified as a "veteran musician", though. Still, even those who got a raise earned relatively small money compared to Sting's 1988-band. They had made 10.000 Dollars a week each. For feeling "fragile" sometimes, I guess...
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Post 2017-04-13 22:28   [Quote] 
As I recall only the musicians from past 80's tours got the raise (Chad, Scott, Robert, Ed, Ike), so not Keneally or any of the horns including the Fowlers. Just found Thunes's old post to a.f.f-z about that:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=nl#!msg/alt.fan.frank-zappa/6we9Iz1mFrE/5B85te4S40EJ


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Post 2017-04-14 00:03   [Quote] 
Please keep in mind that "The Real Frank Zappa Book" on page 149 says it all about Vinnie's "Real" attitude:

Frank: "Shortly before the start of rehearsals in the U.S. (1980), Vinnie Colaiuta and Jeff Berlin called our office
and tried to make secret deals to get their individual salaries raised, saying: "Don't tell the other guys." Shocked

Apart from this, I think he's a fantastic drummer! Wink
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Post 2017-04-14 00:25   [Quote] 
The incident with Jeff Berlin was in 1981 (see earlier in the thread).
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