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1967 12 03 Ann Arbor MI 23.32 Stage (Musigny23-WIU2B-LudzNL-fl-Galeans)
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emmapeelfanclub
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Post 2016-06-28 22:03   [Quote] 
How many rock bands had TWO drummers at this point in time? This was also the emerging era of the dreaded drum solo. Might be worth checking other 1968 reviews to see how many noted the fact that the Mothers had two drummers because that in itself would had been a very unusual sight for the time, the sort of thing one would imagine a reviewer would make some mention of.

Also thinking back to the various hacked up snippets of Garrick Theatre era film footage it's clear in some shots that Jimmy Carl Black would be busy playing trumpet, singing or doing other things apart from drumming therefore leaving Billy as the sole drummer for those portions of the show... or maybe the whole show?

It's certainly an interesting mystery we're trying to puzzle out here as to when exactly Mundi left, how many gigs JCB played as the sole drummer and singling out Art Tripp's debut in the Mothers. December 67 to February/March 1968 seems to be a bit of a black hole when it comes to solid information.
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Post 2016-06-28 23:30   [Quote] 
emmapeelfanclub wrote:
How many rock bands had TWO drummers at this point in time?


The Grateful Dead had two drummers starting in the fall of 1967, and a band called Clear Light, and possibly Love, but it's true it would have been worth mentioning.
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Post 2016-06-29 15:36   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
emmapeelfanclub wrote:
How many rock bands had TWO drummers at this point in time?


The Grateful Dead had two drummers starting in the fall of 1967, and a band called Clear Light, and possibly Love, but it's true it would have been worth mentioning.


Duh... I forgot about the Dead! But like you say, would had been worthy of a mention given the scarcity of two drummer bands!
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Post 2016-07-02 17:57   [Quote] 
Thanks for the fixed seed J!

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Post 2016-07-08 19:21   [Quote] 
The 68/01/28 Toronto gig was also reviewed in the Globe & Mail. A photograph shows JCB with a tambourine, which supports the notion that Billy Mundi was there playing drumset.
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Post 2016-07-10 13:42   [Quote] 
just took another listen. King Kong is one of the best versions i've heard.

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Post 2016-07-12 08:34   [Quote] 
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The 68/01/28 Toronto gig was also reviewed in the Globe & Mail. A photograph shows JCB with a tambourine, which supports the notion that Billy Mundi was there playing drumset.

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Can you post the review and photo?
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Post 2016-07-12 12:13   [Quote] 
Sorry for the low quality. It was a little better on the microfilm viewer.

I think the three tambourine players are Motorhead Sherwood (you can see what looks like the clip of a saxophone strap), Ray Collins (wearing the same plaid shirt seen in the Daily Star), and Jimmy Carl Black (actually recognizable, at least on the microfilm viewer).
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Post 2016-07-12 12:18   [Quote] 
And here's the rest of the review. This is from the Globe & Mail, 1968 01 29, p. 14.
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Post 2016-07-12 12:28   [Quote] 
Does anyone have access to the Toronto Telegram? They also reviewed the show, as reported in 2006. (Thanks to Al Fresco for finding the reference.)

Charles Levi wrote:
Two artists had planned an ambitious “total environment” in the cafeteria, a sound-and-light show in Convocation Hall run through an intricate “black box,” a film festival, and a concert by the Mothers of Invention. Because of budget constraints, Rae had to force the artists to cut back. Rae was further dismayed by the Mothers of Invention, who arrived three hours before their concert and told him they needed a new sound system in Convocation Hall, which Rae “broke every rule” to get. The Mothers concert violated the fire code, as the hall was stuffed beyond capacity. Faculty were outraged, and Frank Zappa ended the concert by “pouring shaving cream in every possible orifice of the huge organ at the front of the hall.” The famed “black box” didn’t work, the artists’ “total environment” was incomprehensible (one critic noted that “the intellectual aspects of the environment are certainly very subjective, if not dubious”),[77] and the festival ran a huge deficit, quoted in some sources as upwards of $6,500.

[77] Brian Cruchley, “Say, who were Those Mothers I saw you with last night?” Toronto Telegram, Jan. 29, 1968.
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Post 2016-07-12 13:25   [Quote] 
Many thanks drdork for the review and picture!
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Post 2016-07-13 01:35   [Quote] 
So he was still playing the Switchmaster in January '68?
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Post 2016-07-13 04:19   [Quote] 
4dave wrote:
So he was still playing the Switchmaster in January '68?


Yes, he was:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21799
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Post 2016-07-13 19:48   [Quote] 
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Post 2016-07-13 19:53   [Quote] 
We are getting closer:

http://www.wezel.com/music/reviews/nickwarb/rhin68.htm

1968
January
The newly formed outfit (minus Finley and Gerber) is invited to provide instrumental support to (recently signed solo artist) David Ackles on his debut album. Since the group is currently without a drummer, John Keliehor is hired for the sessions.10 A short while later ex-Mothers of Invention drummer Billy Mundi (b. California, US) completes the 'Supergroup' line-up after appearing on Earth Opera's debut album.

Mundi has studied music at UCLA and has previously been a member of folk-rock outfits The Skip Battin Group, Maston & Brewer and The Lamp of Childhood. 11

The completed group gathers in a L.A. studio to begin rehearsals.

(...)

Footnotes:
http://www.wezel.com/music/reviews/nickwarb/rhinfoot.htm#9.
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