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Pittylabelle
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Post 2016-04-27 01:25   [Quote] 

A quick rundown of the best officially released CD versions!

Main infos by JWB, edited by Pittylabelle.

Last update: 2016-06-23

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01. - 1966 - The Legendary A&M Sessions

CD Version 1:
Label: Edsel Records ‎– BLIMP CD 902
Format: CD, Album, Maxi-Single
Country: Japan
Released: 1992

or

CD Version 2:
Label: Edsel Records ‎– BLIMP CD 902
Format: CD, Album, Maxi-Single
Country: UK
Released: 2002

There is only one CD mastering of this and it's very good.

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02a. - 1967 - Safe As Milk (Stereo)

Label: Buddha Records ‎– 7446599605-2
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 1999

The US "BMG/Buddah" remaster is the best CD that uses the original master. The European "Rev-ola" reissue
is similar, but the levels have been raised beyond the digital threshold, so there is massive clipping. "Old" CD's
of this album are either from the poor quality "reissue LP" master, or a fold-down of the stereo master. Avoid!

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02b. - 1967 - Safe As Milk (Mono)

Label: Sundazed Music ‎– SC 11232
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 2013

This is the only official Mono edition on CD.

Newly discovered - approach with caution:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=30559
Sundazed Mono Safe As Milk - Keep your old vinyl transfers.

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03. - 1968 - Strictly Personal

Label: Liberty ‎– 7243 8 29654 2 8, EMI ‎– 7243 8 29654 2 8
Format: CD, Album
Country: UK & Europe
Released: 1994

This album is a crapshoot for audiophiles. There is only one CD mastering and it's a horrible Abbey Road
noise reduction job. Approach with caution.

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04. - 1969 - Trout Mask Replica

Label: Zappa Records ‎– ZR 20014, Zappa Records ‎– ZR20014
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 2013

The ZFT CD Reissue sounds exactly like the original vinyl. The only downside is that there is some bad tape
damage at the beginning of the album. If the ZFT issue is too difficult to obtain, the old Reprise CD is fine,
but expect even more tape damage.

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05. - 1970 - Lick My Decals Off

Label: Enigma Retro ‎– 7 73394-2
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 1989

The original USA Enigma/Retro CD (or any reasonable knockoff made from it) is fantastic, but very hard to find.

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06. - 1971 - Mirror Man

Label: Castle Classics ‎– CLACD 235
Format: CD, Album
Country: UK
Released: 1988

The "old" UK Castle CD is superb and sounds just like the original LP. The "BMG/Buddah remaster" sounds
about the same, but has been compressed heavily.

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07. - 1972 - The Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot

Label: Reprise Records ‎– 9 26249-2
Format: CD, 2 Album
Country: USA
Released: 1990

The original Reprise two-fer CD is excellent. The new remaster sounds pretty much the same, but with
a hefty dose of compression.

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08. - 1974 - Unconditionally Guaranteed

Label: Virgin ‎– CDV 2015
Format: CD, Album
Country: UK
Released: 1987

The old UK Virgin CD's are very good and sound pretty close to the original US LP. The recent UK Virgin
remaster is an Abbey Road noise reduction job. Not recommended.

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09. - 1974 - Bluejeans & Moonbeams

Label: Virgin ‎– CDV 2023
Format: CD, Album
Country: UK
Released: 1988

The old UK Virgin CD's are very good and sound pretty close to the original US LP. The recent UK Virgin
remaster is an Abbey Road noise reduction job. Not recommended.

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10. - 1978 - Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)

Label: Enigma Retro ‎– 7 73548-2, Straight ‎– 7 73548-2
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 1990

The original USA Enigma/Retro CD is fantastic, but very hard to find. The old Virgin issues are very hissy
and obviously from an inferior tape. The recent Virgin remaster is another crappy noise reduction job.
Avoid.

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11. - 1978 - I'm Going To Do What I Wanna Do (Live At My Father's Place)

Label: Rhino Handmade ‎– RHM2 7741
Format: 2 Χ CD, Album, Limited Edition, Numbered
Country: USA
Released: 2000

No comment - grab it!

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12. - 1980 - Doc At The Radar Station

CD Version 1:
Label: Virgin - CDV 2172
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA & Europe
Released: 1986

or

CD Version 2:
Label: Caroline Blue Plate ‎– CAROL 1824-2
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 1992

The original old Virgin CDs are as good as it gets. The USA Caroline/Blue Plate CD is soundwise identical
and the new Virgin versions are Shabby Road productions.

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13. - 1982 - Ice Cream For Crow

CD Version 1:
Label: Virgin - CDV 2237
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA & Europe
Released: 1988

or

CD Version 2:
Label: Caroline Blue Plate ‎– CAROL 1632-2
Format: CD, Album,
Country: USA
Released: 1990

The original old Virgin CDs are as good as it gets. The USA Caroline/Blue Plate CD is soundwise identical
and the new Virgin versions are Shabby Road productions.

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14. - Bat Chain Puller

Label: VAULTernative Records ‎– VR2012-1
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA
Released: 2012

No comment - grab it!

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15. - Grow Fins: Rarities (1965-1982)

Label: Revenant ‎– Revenant 210
Format: 4 Χ CD + 1 x CD Enhanced, Box Set
Country: USA
Released: 1999

No comment - grab it!

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Post 2016-05-01 19:18   [Quote] 
This has been mentioned by me (and others) elsewhere on this forum but the 2014 Japanese remaster by R. Tanaka of Lick My Decals Off Baby is far superior to any other version.

This includes original vinyl, Enigma original CD, Rhino version from Sun Zoom Spark box and the Justin Bieber tribute version. (OK, I just made up the last one).

It's out of print and can be pricey, but it's a must-own!
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Post 2016-05-01 23:54   [Quote] 
TwentySmallCigars wrote:
This has been mentioned by me (and others) elsewhere on this forum but the 2014 Japanese remaster by R. Tanaka of Lick My Decals Off Baby is far superior to any other version.

This includes original vinyl, Enigma original CD, Rhino version from Sun Zoom Spark box and the Justin Bieber tribute version. (OK, I just made up the last one).

It's out of print and can be pricey, but it's a must-own!


Nope - why open this discussion again? Wink

The "Sun Zoom Spark box" was already discussed here before:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=28581

Conclusion:
"The "sound" is fine, but it is in no way an improvement over what we already
had, unless you think adding upper midrange and compression is important.
They do not have better separation. They have less, from being compressed.
They are clearer and deeper because the bass and treble has been boosted.
There is nothing more to it than that." - JWB

The "The 2014 Japanese Remaster" were already discussed here before:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=29342

Conclusion:
"For those who care, these SACD's are indeed made from hissy UK copy tapes.
Why they couldn't use the USA master tapes, is anybody's guess. But don't
waste your time or money on these. They sound awful compared to the old
US CD's. Just listening to the beginning of "Hot Head", you can hear all kinds
of hiss and noise pumping in and out. The US CD's are clean because they
come from the master tapes. These don't." - JWB
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Post 2016-05-02 00:00   [Quote] 
In your first link, there is only my comment, which is similar to the one posted on this thread. The only response specifically to the Tanaka remaster is from someone who has obivously never heard it and just comments that the others are the way Don liked them and that should be good enough.

Your second link mainly refers to the Japanese SACD's of Doc at the Radar Station and Ice Cream for Crow, which were not remastered by Tanaka and have nothing to do with Decals. The disc I am referring to was never released on SACD. If you read the thread, you will notice that all of the LMDOB comments from people that have heard it are recommending the Tanaka remaster.

For instance:

brainpang wrote:
Holy Toledo! All Beefheart fans are hereby ordered to acquire the Japanese 2014 DECALS re-mastered by Ryuichi Tanaka. Knocked my socks off.


and:

frazer wrote:
Gotta say, best I've ever heard it! I recall once when trying to remedy this particular dilemma, I had a friend who had gear to rip my vinyl copy. I was rather excited and in high expectations. When he gave me my record and the accompanying CD of it back, I eagerly hurried home....dancingnaughty

BUT! when the headphones went on, and I hit play, I nearly began to cry. The sound was woefully inadequate, thin and brittle, with nary a drop of bottom end to be detected anywhere!! Alas.. suicide

Finally, at long last, my problem is solved, and I think I am going to be alright now. stroke My very second most favourite Captain album after Trout Mask, and now it is re-blowing my mind all over again like I never dreamed possible. Very Happy

Thank you, Ryuichi Tanaka, and also my most kindly benefactor! clapping


and:

mrnym wrote:
I recently found a copy of the 2014 Ryuichi Tanaka remaster on eBay, shipped from Japan. It wasn't cheap. I paid a little over US$40 for it. It sounds really good!!


I am willing to bet that you have never heard the version of LMDOB that I am referring to. I'd be happy to send you a copy for reference.
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Post 2016-05-02 16:24   [Quote] 
TwentySmallCigars wrote:
I am willing to bet that you have never heard the version of LMDOB that I am referring to. I'd be happy to send you a copy for reference.


That's a good idea with the reference copy - thanks for the offer R.! Wink

OK, let's give this CD a try.

Provisorily - since the last japanese SACDs use these "poorer" UK analog master tapes.

Do you know something about the source of the master tapes for this japanese CD release?
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Post 2016-05-02 17:13   [Quote] 
Unfortunately, I don't know much about the history of this release. It seems to be getting much less attention than I believe it deserves within the Beefheart community.

The only information I had read was at beefheart.com, at which point I tracked down a copy:

2014 Japanese CD release on Warner Reprise Japan WQCP-1500

Packaged in a jewel case with booklet containing lyrics in English and Japanese. It has been remastered by Ryuichi Tanaka (Mixer’s Lab) at Warner Music Mastering. The sound quality on this album is probably the best around at the time of writing, it’s much better than the weak remastering job done on the Sun Zoom Spark version.

I will send you a copy today, please let me know your thoughts once you get it!
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Post 2016-06-22 23:01   [Quote] 
Because I happened to stumble in here: the info about the old Virgin CDs for "Doc" and "Crow" is incorrect, although it was the conventional wisdom for a time. Unless there are pressing variations I am unaware of (a distinct possibility), the old Virgin CDs are functionally identical to the "rarer" Caroline/Blue Plate issues. All are better than the subsequent reissues.
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Post 2016-06-22 23:51   [Quote] 
Raiders wrote:
Because I happened to stumble in here: the info about the old Virgin CDs for "Doc" and "Crow" is incorrect, although it was the conventional wisdom for a time. Unless there are pressing variations I am unaware of (a distinct possibility), the old Virgin CDs are functionally identical to the "rarer" Caroline/Blue Plate issues. All are better than the subsequent reissues.


Thanks for your post, Raiders! Wink

Revisited and compared both albums ("Old Virgin CDs" versus "Caroline/Blue Plate CDs"), and you are right.
Soundwise they are identical - also the "hiss" seems to be identical.

The infos were edited now.

Thanks again.
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Pittylabelle wrote:
Raiders wrote:
Because I happened to stumble in here: the info about the old Virgin CDs for "Doc" and "Crow" is incorrect, although it was the conventional wisdom for a time. Unless there are pressing variations I am unaware of (a distinct possibility), the old Virgin CDs are functionally identical to the "rarer" Caroline/Blue Plate issues. All are better than the subsequent reissues.


Thanks for your post, Raiders! Wink

Revisited and compared both albums ("Old Virgin CDs" versus "Caroline/Blue Plate CDs"), and you are right.
Soundwise they are identical - also the "hiss" seems to be identical.

The infos were edited now.

Thanks again.


It has been suggested that UK Virgin copies might be different and inferior, so I might not be entirely right. I had at least one bona fide UK Virgin (specifically a CDV 2172) that, per my notes, matched the Caroline, but I might've been sloppy in my comparisons. If anybody has a definitely-from-UK copy (perhaps one with the later-style barcode), we can clear this up posthaste.
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Post 2016-06-23 21:35   [Quote] 
Raiders wrote:
It has been suggested that UK Virgin copies might be different and inferior, so I might not be entirely right. I had at least one bona fide UK Virgin (specifically a CDV 2172) that, per my notes, matched the Caroline, but I might've been sloppy in my comparisons. If anybody has a definitely-from-UK copy (perhaps one with the later-style barcode), we can clear this up posthaste.


However, compared the following two Virgin CDs to the Caroline Blue Plate CDs:

1. Doc At The Radar Station / Virgin CDV 2172 / German SONOPRESS / Barcode: 5 012981 217228
2. Ice Cream For Crow / Virgin CDV 2237 / Dutch EMI / Barcode: 0777 7 86739 2 7

As said, they sound absolutely identical - even the "hiss".
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Post 2016-08-18 16:46   [Quote] 
13. - 1982 - Ice Cream For Crow

CD Version 1:
Label: Virgin - CDV 2237
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA & Europe
Released: 1988


CHECK - 8 Euro in my local record store Smile

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...I also saw fresh VINYL reissues of Clear Spot, Spotlight Kid and Decals (Rhino / Reprise)...I know that the Sun Zoom Spark CD boxset has been discussed in another thread regarding loudness...anybody got a chance to get an impression on these new records?

https://www.discogs.com/de/Captain-Beefheart-The-Magic-Band-Lick-My-Decals-Off-Baby/release/8478422

I am also fine with a new thread.

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StrokeTheBoots wrote:
13. - 1982 - Ice Cream For Crow

CD Version 1:
Label: Virgin - CDV 2237
Format: CD, Album
Country: USA & Europe
Released: 1988


CHECK - 8 Euro in my local record store Smile


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What would you recommend as the best CB records ?

I have Safe As Milk, Trout Mask Replica, Lick My Decals Off Baby, Unconditionally Guaranteed and Shiny Beast.

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uncle max wrote:
What would you recommend as the best CB records?


I think that's simply a matter of taste. Wink
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uncle max wrote:
What would you recommend as the best CB records ?

I have Safe As Milk, Trout Mask Replica, Lick My Decals Off Baby, Unconditionally Guaranteed and Shiny Beast.


Personally?

Mirror Man
Decals
Clear Spot
BCP/Shiny Beast(both versions)
DATRS

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