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Post 2015-08-05 14:59   [Quote] 
Since this is a standard procedure here when preparing tracks and shows for the tracker I am just wondering how come that WAVE files are much larger than FLAC files if they have the same quality.

Thinking about saving space on my external hard drives by converting all .wav-files that I have into .flac-files....but I am not sure if there are pro's an con's for that plan...

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Post 2015-08-05 15:09   [Quote] 
FLAC is a lossless audio compression. I'll leave the explanation to more knowledgeable folks. I think FLAC players decode them on fly while playing, but not quite sure how that works. Some audio players won't play FLAC, but most do. More of an issue is whether the player has gapless playback. Few things are more annoying to me that a slight gap of silence between tracks where the music should be continuous...which is pretty much all Zappa live material.

No loss in quality, smaller file size. Win/win.
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Post 2015-08-05 17:36   [Quote] 
This is something I've wondered about too......
If wave and flac are the same quality what's the use of wave?

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Post 2015-08-05 19:17   [Quote] 
if you burn to cd to listen in the car you need wav files...

or a program that turns flac files to wav as it burns the cd...

it isn't that wav files and flac files are the 'same quality'

it's that flac files can be turned back into wav files with no loss of data, whereas mp3 files can't be...

we can trade wav files if you really want to...

we all (almost all) have high speed internet of some sort, so sending larger files isn't the trouble it was back when the internet was small copper wire filled tubes...

but it's faster to trade the flac files...

you can flac your wav files if you want to free up disc space, with the assurance that you can make them back into wav files with no loss of data...

you can mp3 them if you want them smaller still, but if you convert those mp3 files back to wav there will be some loss of data...

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Post 2015-08-05 20:01   [Quote] 
thanks guys! great help! Smile

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Post 2015-08-05 20:13   [Quote] 
Oh yeah.... I forgot about all that stuff... Thanks very much for ''reminding'' me....
One particular thing you said...
mycroftxxx wrote:
it isn't that wav files and flac files are the 'same quality'

it's that flac files can be turned back into wav files with no loss of data...

...makes me want to ask last question, If an audiophile with ''good''ears listens to a wave file played by a wave file player, and then the same track in flac on a 'flac player', could he tell the difference? (ie: is there any loss while the file is in its flac state?) I'm just trying to get my head around something being smaller without losing anything...

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Post 2015-08-05 21:14   [Quote] 
Thanks STB
(Although having read the answer I think this is one of those occasions where I regret asking the question.....)

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Post 2015-08-05 21:58   [Quote] 
father-0blivion wrote:
something being smaller without losing anything...


it's not that it's smaller without losing anything, it's that once being made smaller it can be made back without losing anything...

and whatever flac player you use to listen to a flac file is remaking it for you as you listen, without altering the file...

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Post 2015-08-06 06:28   [Quote] 
Thank you m'xxx

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Post 2015-08-06 12:45   [Quote] 
father-0blivion wrote:
If an audiophile with ''good''ears listens to a wave file played by a wave file player, and then the same track in flac on a 'flac player', could he tell the difference?

Provided the players are of a decent quality and don't introduce any additional distortion to the signal: if he can, he's full of shit. Wink

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Post 2016-07-13 07:38   [Quote] 
arf wrote:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0716/Why_Do_WAV_And_FLAC_Files_Sound_Different.htm


if true i guess all our work was for nothing !

and our collections are now rubbish
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Post 2016-07-13 20:08   [Quote] 
arf wrote:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0716/Why_Do_WAV_And_FLAC_Files_Sound_Different.htm


That article will be debunked shortly, I have no doubt. Flac is lossless, meaning no data is lost. If you take a file, compress it with flac then decompress it, it will be exactly the same. You can prove this for yourself in a couple with minutes with a copy of flac and a checksum tool (md5sum, for example).

https://xiph.org/flac/faq.html#general__lossless_trust

They witter on about metadata quite a lot. I suspect the authors have faulty software. They probably don't know how to use it properly and when they think they're converting directly from wav to flac, or from flac to wav, they're actually going via a lossy intermediate format. It's not clear why they converted the files in both directions 5 times without thinking to produce a hash of the files to prove they've changed. But they also mention the height of the instruments, and that rebooting some device or other had the effect of increasing the height of the harp by as many as 9 inches. Perhaps they should have used to chicken to measure it.
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Post 2016-08-30 20:55   [Quote] 
Which WAV to FLAC converter software would you recommend ?

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