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1972 09 16 London 75.33 Aud MC (youngsbest)
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Post 2005-11-14 01:06   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa/Grand Wazoo

The Oval Cricket Ground
London
16 September 1972

Total Time 75:33

Seeded by youngsbest at http://www.dimeadozen.org/
torrents-details.php?id=63850

His comments:

"This has been in circulation for some time, but here's a slightly
improved version. It was transfered with a different deck and soundcard
from the first CD transfer. Overall it's a little brighter and more
detailed. If you already have this, you will hear an improvement -
not dramatic, but noticeable. Some of the volume fluctuations have been
smoothed out, and between track mic bumps and audience chat deleted.
Still an audience recording though - we'll just have to wait for a board
from this tour."
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I split Penis Dimension and Regyptian Strut using CDWAV, but otherwise
I did not change the DIME seed.

Although this sounds great, it has a cut intro to Think It Over and
is missing FZ's preambles to Dogmeat and Penis Dimension. If someone out
there has this material, please patch and reseed.

1. Soundcheck/tuning
2. Big Swifty
The Adventures of Gregory Peccary:
3. Intro
4. 1st movement: Gregory wakes up & drives to work
5. 2nd movement: Gregory invents the calendar
6. 3rd movement: Gregory is attacked by the Hunchmen
7. 4th movement: The New Brown Clouds
8. Think It Over
9. Dogmeat
10. Penis Dimension
11. Variant Processional March/Regyptian Strut

Jay Migliori; flute, saxophone, clarinet
Mike Altschul; piccolo, bass clarinet
Ray Reed; saxophone, clarinet
Charles Owen; saxophone, clarinet
Joanne Caldwell McNab; bassoon
Earle Dumler; oboe
Jerry Kessler; cello
Malcolm McNab; trumpet
Sal Marquez; trumpet
Tom Malone; tuba
Bruce Fowler; trombone
Glenn Ferris; trombone
Ken Shroyer; trombone
Ian Underwood; synthesizer, elec piano
Jim Gordon; drums
Dave Parlato, bass
Tony Duran; slide guitar
Tom Raney; percussion
Ruth Underwood; percussion
Frank Zappa; guitar, conductor

Audience recording:
Master cassette>Sony TC-KE600s deck> Audiophile 2496>Soundforge>FLAC
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Post 2005-11-14 10:39   [Quote] 
Bit late on data, my apologies been away overnight, ....BUT..

youngs best sent me a note on this a while back when seeded on DimeaDozen (DaD)......also I,m considering iiit of rth eQ&C stamp...

heres the note.

NOTES: from youngsbest to MrUMRK

I'm the person that taped it, so the recording mentioned in your post is the same one. Not sure where the 1st gen bit came from. I sent out various cassette copies - inc Jon Naurin, who I think traded it quite a lot. Then when I got a burner I transferred to Cdr and sent a copy to Theo Allers - also probably to Jon - who I think posted it to Zappateers, and who also posted the note I sent to him - which I'd rather he hadn't.

I think there was an earlier recording before mine, of lower quality, which I haven't heard, but from what I recall 'had loads of cuts'.

So this is the well known master tape, not a new source. I have joined Dime fairly recently and thought I might as well go back to the original tape and seed it. The differences are - it's louder on the disc than before, some of the variations in volume have been smoothed out - you'll notice this on the first bit of Big Swifty, Gregory Peccary has been re-tracked. FZ says 4 movements in the intro, three of which are obvious, but I have broken out the third movement, the attack bit, at what seems to be the most obvious point.
Overall it sounds clearer and brighter - it's not a draw dropping improvement. So if you down load it, I hope you won't be too disappointed, but let me know if you think it's better. I suppose the fact that the person on Dime who went to the concert and will now get to hear it 33 years later makes this a worthwhile exercise.

youngsbest

So there you go , a genuine MT and in my honest opinion a sure fire Q&C...anyone want to agree and it will get the stamp.

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Post 2005-11-14 11:15   [Quote] 
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NOTES: from youngsbest to MrUMRK

I'm the person that taped it, so the recording mentioned in your post is the same one. Not sure where the 1st gen bit came from. I sent out various cassette copies - inc Jon Naurin, who I think traded it quite a lot. Then when I got a burner I transferred to Cdr and sent a copy to Theo Allers - also probably to Jon - who I think posted it to Zappateers, and who also posted the note I sent to him - which I'd rather he hadn't.

FWIW, I am responsible for trading tapes and CDR's of quite a lot, but not for posting the concert + note, here. I think this should definitely have the Q&C stamp. It's a MC and this version is far superior to the one we had before this one surfaced.
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Post 2005-11-14 11:53   [Quote] 
Please note my comment about the minor cuts, though. (I'm not sure that there was a preamble to Penis Dimension, but my analog copy has the beginning of Think It Over and a preamble to Dog Meat.)
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Post 2005-11-14 12:13   [Quote] 
Thanks "J" for the 2nding....one is enough, will put the stamp on it now.

thankyou thankyou and thankyou.

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Post 2005-11-14 15:23   [Quote] 
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Please note my comment about the minor cuts, though. (I'm not sure that there was a preamble to Penis Dimension, but my analog copy has the beginning of Think It Over and a preamble to Dog Meat.)

Sorry, I didn't download and check this version out before my Q&C statement - I just assumed it was an exact copy of youngsbest's master, but now it seems to be edited down? If so, I take back my 2nding until we've done some more research on this matter. Does anyone know exactly what's been edited out?
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Post 2005-11-14 15:35   [Quote] 
My 1st gen tape->CDR rip has:
1) 25 seconds of crowd chat before Think It Over, but there's a cut into the song, with probably some music missing. However, it sounds as if the tape recorder starts here, so I would guess that this is missing from the master too.
2) A Dog/Meat preamble.
3) "...Albert Hall." as the only remnants of FZ's Penis Dimension preamble. He also gives instruction to the sound man.
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Post 2005-11-14 15:51   [Quote] 
Yojimbo wrote:
My 1st gen tape->CDR rip has:
1) 25 seconds of crowd chat before Think It Over, but there's a cut into the song, with probably some music missing. However, it sounds as if the tape recorder starts here, so I would guess that this is missing from the master too.


My analog has a clean start to Think It Over, including a drum pickup. Perhaps there is more than one master? BTW, my analog has speed problems and generally doesn't sound as good as this recording.
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Post 2005-11-14 16:04   [Quote] 
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My analog has a clean start to Think It Over, including a drum pickup. Perhaps there is more than one master? BTW, my analog has speed problems and generally doesn't sound as good as this recording.

Youngsbest's version surfaced in June 1996, and the recording that circulated prior to that was rather bad, as I remember. I'm pretty sure there are no speed problems on the "new" master, so you probably have a tape of the old one, which could be useful for fills. Does it have FZ's complete Penis Dimension preamble?
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Post 2005-11-14 19:28   [Quote] 
Yojimbo wrote:

Youngsbest's version surfaced in June 1996, and the recording that circulated prior to that was rather bad, as I remember. I'm pretty sure there are no speed problems on the "new" master, so you probably have a tape of the old one, which could be useful for fills. Does it have FZ's complete Penis Dimension preamble?


I'll check tonight. Unfortunately, I still don't have the gear to do rips of analog tapes. I got this sometime between '95 and '97, so it almost certainly was the old version. Anyone else have this?
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Post 2005-11-14 20:16   [Quote] 
MrUMRK wrote:
Thanks "J" for the 2nding....one is enough, will put the stamp on it now.

thankyou thankyou and thankyou.


Hey!

You CANNOT put any fucking stamp on it, if you know for the start this is not the more complete version available!

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Post 2005-11-15 03:27   [Quote] 
Yojimbo wrote:
Does it have FZ's complete Penis Dimension preamble?


Yes, it has him commenting on how the piece kept his band from playing the Albert Hall.

If no one else has this, that gives me another incentive to get a sound card, make sure my tape deck is tuned up and start ripping a few tapes. Perhaps during the holidays.
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Post 2005-11-15 19:25   [Quote] 
Does anybody have APPROXIMATE from this show.
http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/wazoo/pwmisc.html
says Dumler played a sarrusophone solo, and I'm anxious to hear it. Or is this from another show?

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Post 2005-11-15 19:49   [Quote] 
PhydeauxIII wrote:
Does anybody have APPROXIMATE from this show.
http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/wazoo/pwmisc.html
says Dumler played a sarrusophone solo, and I'm anxious to hear it. Or is this from another show?


I just sent Charles Ulrich an e-mail about this.
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Post 2005-11-15 20:23   [Quote] 
Thanks. He'll know about this.

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