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1984 12 08 (L) Kansas City MO ~105 min AUD source #1 samples (doctorzap, Drew51, pbuzby, walk)  
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Post 2014-08-11 17:56   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
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Kansas City, MO

1984 12 08 Late Show


~~ Source #1 Samples ~~

from 4 different copies:
- Bob M-doctorzap 1st gen AUD, less complete around tf cuts, compared to Drew51 or pbuzby copies
- Drew51 unknown gen AUD
- pbuzby unknown gen AUD
- walk unknown gen AUD (only Tape sides 1 and 2 - copy ends with LMTC)

Current FZshows entry:
1984 12 08 - Uptown Theater, Kansas City, MO
Early show
85 min, Aud, B+/B

Willie The Pimp, Montana, Easy Meat (q: Black Napkins), Carolina Hard-Core Ecstasy, The Evil Prince, Lucille Has Messed My Mind Up, Cocaine Decisions,
Nig Biz, Outside Now, Be In My Video, In France, Bamboozled By Love, Joe's Garage, Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?, Little Girl Of Mine,
The Closer You Are, No No Cherry, Cosmik Debris, The Illinois Enema Bandit
Late show
105 min, Aud, B+/B

Zoot Allures, City Of Tiny Lights, You Are What You Is, Mudd Club, The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing, Drowning Witch, The Black Page, Brown Moses,
What's New In Baltimore?, Tinsel Town Rebellion, Trouble Every Day, Penguin In Bondage, Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel, Advance Romance (q: The Third Man),
Keep It Greasey, Let's Move To Cleveland (q: Hawaiian War Chant, Sweet Leilani, Bringing In The Sheaves), He's So Gay, Bobby Brown, Whipping Post



This #1 Source is the longer of the two (~105 min): missing only the start of Zoot Allures.

Samples seeded here (from all 4 copies: Bob M-doctorzap, Drew51, pbuzby & walk):

S11 Zoot Allures > City Of Tiny Lites (start tape)
S12 Baltimore > Tinseltown Rebellion (end side 1)
S21 Tinseltown Rebellion (start side 2)
S22 Let's Move To Cleveland FZ Solo (end side 2)
S31 Let's Move To Cleveland FZ Solo > Finale (start side 3)
S32 Whipping Post (end side 3, end tape)

My personal pick for FZ Shows would be currently either pbuzby's or Drew51's copy.
Any other opinions ?

Fills to tape flip cuts here could be included from
either of the Source #2 copies (doctorzap s2 or entmoot)

Any other copy available from this source,
more complete or better sounding ?
Thanks for letting us know.

Note:
Samples from the shorter source (Source #2 - from 2 copies)
available here.

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Post 2014-08-11 23:43   [Quote] 
Only a "heavily noise-reduced" version of the long source from av here that isn't already listed. Not worth comparing.
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Post 2014-08-13 09:06   [Quote] 
I do prefer the drew tape. pbuzby tape is close. Tinseltown sample sounds flawed on drews tape. that part sounds better on pat's tape. If there are more flawed parts on drew's tape, maybe it's best to go with the pbuzby tape.

Pat's tape is maybe a bit clearer. drew's tape sounds a bit "darker". I like the lows better on that tape (easier to the ears?).

For fills, drzap and entmoot indeed sound very simular (maybe entmoot a bit more hiss ???)

I'm afraid this doesn't help you much. ("Let's throw A Tantrum")
Frank

edit: after listening to these samples again, I think I prefer the pbuzby or the dangerousjim version.
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Post 2014-08-17 09:09   [Quote] 
I think the Pbuzby version is clearly the better of these, even better than Dangerousjim's one.

As for the fills, Entmoot and Drzap's copies sound very similar, but I'd go with Entmoot's one, as it does have less flaws compared to the other.

I think both sources deserve separate patched seeds as well, but, overall, I'd say Pbuzby's copy is the best sounding of them all, even though some come close.

cheers

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Post 2014-08-24 11:40   [Quote] 
I have to agree with Galeans:
the pbuzby version would be also my pick for FZ Shows, with fills to be included from the entmoot copy (source #2).

The dangerousjim and BobM-doctorzap versions are each sounding more harsh or metallic in comparison;
the Drew51 sounding more muffled;
(the walk version, also sounding inferior and being less complete,
is not included in this FA comparison analysis).

FA comparison between 4 versions would also suggest that the pbuzby version is
among the 'best looking' ones:

FA comparison based on 10-20 secs of samples s12 (Baltimore):
blue line - dangerousjim
green line (& 'active' line) - pbuzby
orange line - BobM-doctorzap
magenta line - Drew51

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Post 2014-08-24 11:42   [Quote] 
FA comparison beteween same 4 copies for tape side 2 sample: s22 Cleveland FZ solo

blue line - dangerousjim
green line (& 'active' line) - pbuzby
orange line - BobM-doctorzap
magenta line - Drew51

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Post 2014-09-16 17:37   [Quote] 
Sorry for not noticing this sooner, but I'm in touch with the taper and will soon have a master clone of this source for preparation and patching.
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Post 2014-09-17 13:00   [Quote] 
Zappa Penguin wrote:
Sorry for not noticing this sooner, but I'm in touch with the taper and will soon have a master clone of this source for preparation and patching.

No problem, we'll be happy and patient enough to wait for your transfer of the master clone to appear.

Thanks for speaking up here.

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