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Overnitefreak Contributor Joined: 2005-03-13 Posts: 3191 Location: New Jersey
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Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention
Orpheum Theater
Boston, MA
November 09, 1974
Late show
~~ Combined seed of two alternate audience sources (1st & 2nd gen) courtesy of BobM, patched with RobSam 2nd gen SBD ~~
After presenting upgrades to both the audience & SBD tapes of this show earlier this year, it was brought to light that a mistake was made where I forgot to correct the phase issues with the SBD tape. While re-visiting these corrections for the planned re-seed, we also decided to properly correct the audience sources (since we used the SBD for fills there) which included multiple phase and volume adjustments on top of the usual speed corrections.
In true Zappateers style and luck, while working on these shows again, another set of tapes arrived courtesy of BobM and once again kindly transferred by Doctorzap.
One tape was another copy of the recent Waterbury segment which was followed by what appeared to be this Boston late show. Indeed it was. And it turned out to be another copy of the previously seeded RobSam AUD segment. If you recall from that earlier seed, the RobSam tape contained audience material not found in the commonly circulated source, most interestingly The Idiot Bastard Son which was not present in either audience or SBD sources previously.
This newly transferred BobM copy also had The Idiot Bastard Son, but this time complete, with the tape cutting in during the closing segment of what was likely Room Service (sadly still missing). Further good news was this copy had a nearly complete Dupree's Paradise where the previous copy cut about 5 minutes in which lessened the amount of SBD fill needed this time. It also plays complete to the end after the cut including the encores. Listening to this segment and comparing it to the encores from the more commonly circulating 64 minute source now confirms that this is indeed a second source!
Source 1: Commonly circulated tape, 64 min, BobM 2nd gen
Source 2: 77 min, BobM 1st gen
Presented here is the most complete audience copy of this late show seen to date. The first portion (through Pygmy Twylyte) is from source 1 switching to source 2 for The Idiot Bastard Son to the end of the show (patching in the SBD source where necessary). Some may notice that the time is a little shorter than the previous seed. This is due to the encore audience break being a little shorter than in Source 1, and a one second repeated section during the preamble to Florentine Pogen missed in the earlier seed.
I have included the alternate source 1 tracks portion (Marty's Dance Song through encores) in a separate subfolder including a SBD patched version of Marty's Dance for those who want it all. Of course, all unpatched tracks are included. Due to the additional corrections made to the Source 1 tracks, I am sorry to say you will have to download them again but it is an upgrade.
I hope you will all be pleased with the results. Despite the countless hours I've spent with this one, I haven't grown tired of it since it is an awesome show. One of my brothers was there and although he doesn't remember many specifics now, he still has fond memories of seeing Zappa over the years in general. And yes, the SBD upgrade will follow shortly.
Original Shoebox upload (Source 1):
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21989 (2 AUD tapes within)
Upgrade to version currently found on the tracker:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=23302
Current FZ Shows entry:
1974 11 09 - Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA
75 min, SBD, A/A-
65 min, Aud, B
The SBD starts in Cosmik Debris, the Aud (with muffled sound in places) fades out in Pygmy Twylyte and returns in Marty's Dance Song. Combined sources play for 115 min.
With Tom Waits on vocals (*).
Tush Tush Tush, Stinkfoot, Inca Roads, Florentine Pogen, Pygmy Twylyte, Cosmik Debris, Montana, The Booger Man, Ol' 55*, Dupree's Paradise (incl. Zoot Allures chords, q: Lohengrin), Marty's Dance Song, Oh No, Trouble Every Day
This Copy (combined sources):
119.50 Aud B+ (123.03 with SBD patches)
Lineage (Source 1): (BobM-DrZap audience)
Maxell XLII 2nd GEN > Nakamichi DR-1 > Realtek HDAudio pentium i7 > Soundforge 10 Pro Highest quality setting Izotope 64 bit src downsampling / MBIT+dither> TLH > Soundforge 10 (speed correction, phase & volume adjustments, tracking) > Nero 11 Soundtrax (patching) > FLAC Frontend
Lineage (Source 2): (BobM-DrZap audience)
Maxell XLII 1st GEN > Nakamichi DR-1 > Realtek HDAudio pentium i7 > Soundforge 10 Pro Highest quality setting Izotope 64 bit src downsampling / MBIT+dither> TLH > Soundforge 10 (speed correction, phase & volume adjustments, tracking) > Nero 11 Soundtrax (patching) > FLAC Frontend
Taped by: unknown
Collected & kindly shared by: BobM
Transferred by: Doctorzap
Corrected & adjusted by: flambay & Overnitefreak
Edited by: Overnitefreak
Fills lineage:
Maxell XLII 2nd gen SBD > Nakamichi DR-1 > Realtek HDAudio pentium i7 > Soundforge 10 Pro Highest quality setting Izotope 64 bit src downsampling / MBIT+dither > TLH > Soundforge 10 (speed correction, editing > FLAC Frontend
Taped by: unknown
Collected by: Dick Barber
Contributed by: robsam
Transferred by: doctorzap
Corrected & adjusted: flambay & Overnitefreak
Edited by: Overnitefreak
The Mothers, July 04 - November 22, 1974:
FZ, George Duke, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Tom Fowler, Ruth Underwood, Chester Thompson. (* with Tom Waits)
Track list:
01 Tush Tush Tush [2:29] °°° fades in, beginning missing
02 Tuning [1:43]
03 Stinkfoot [6:54]
04 Inca Roads [14:17]
05 preamble [1:51]
06 Florentine Pogen [8:53] °°° cuts out, no music missing
07 preamble [0:52] °°° cuts in
08 Pygmy Twylyte [5:53] °°° fades out, ending missing
09 The Idiot Bastard Son [2:17] °°° fades in, no music missing
10 Cosmik Debris [12:11]
11 Montana [11:06]
12 The Booger Man [9:07] °°° SBD patch @ 0:50-1:01
13 Ol' 55* [5:52]
14 Dupree's Paradise [16:37] °°° SBD patch @ 13:17-16:29
15 Marty's Dance Song [8:42]
16 Encore audience & preamble [0:48] °°° cuts in
17 Oh No (I Don't Believe It) [1:29]
18 Son Of Orange County [5:15]
19 More Trouble Every Day [6:40]
Total time (patched version): 123.03
Source 1 alternate tracks (including SBD patched version of Marty's Dance Song) in separate subfolder (171 MB)
15 Marty's Dance Song [5:56] °°° cuts in, music missing
16 Encore audience & preamble [1:25] °°° cuts in
17 Oh No (I Don't Believe It) [1:29]
18 Son Of Orange County [5:16]
19 More Trouble Every Day [6:40]
15 Marty's Dance Song (patched) [8:34]
Unpatched tracks (Source 2 audience only) in separate subfolder (132 MB):
12 The Booger Man [8:59] °°° cut @ 0:50, music missing
14 Dupree's Paradise [13:32] °°° cut @ 13:17, music missing
Total time (Source 1 audience only): 63.42
Total time (Source 2 audience only): 76.55
Credits:
Thanks the unknown taper(s).
Thanks to BobM & RobSam for contributing these fine upgrades.
Thanks to Dick Barber for contributing the SBD tape.
Thanks to DoctorZap for the multitude of excellent transfers.
Thanks to flambay for speed corrections and for his invaluable advisement.
Enjoy!!
-- Overnitefreak
www.zappateers.com/bb - April 2012
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Samples:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=23117
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21480
Previous seed:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=23302
ffp:
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 01 Tush Tush Tush.flac:241e059ab9d2a8d246279b5495595b62
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 02 tuning.flac:d4c7b6d0685d49957de2c0a302965698
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 03 Stinkfoot.flac:25b7fd13fdda066007cc46be4b544136
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 04 Inca Roads.flac:f28d5b86b347f98837ef9e0fac7d24a6
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 05 preamble.flac:4646017135a1d68974b1bedfc1e1fabb
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 06 Florentine Pogen.flac:856c69f3924d3193facfec06ba4c6532
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 07 preamble.flac:38eeb172a04440ad654ae88cb5497f29
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 08 Pygmy Twylyte.flac:a31e0b07ff06010d9bc425b1aea1e06a
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 09 The Idiot Bastard Son.flac:68348b6d1e40f0d9c171a22326fe6d49
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 10 Cosmik Debris.flac:4b955b839dfe1e9218076a47b1e57fb9
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 11 Montana.flac:afdd0ea2b5760d28faee4d7ef5080e72
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 12 The Booger Man.flac:a97b7876bc2cdc0895ea67e56a8a66fd
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 13 Ol' 55.flac:0f0f7a5fac65511373f1e09c0ad675e5
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 14 Dupree's Paradise.flac:3dd6391c19f58684996e2b0541efab0a
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 15 Marty's Dance Song.flac:2efd907a286bad913a478b9d8715baae
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 16 encore audience.flac:fbca9537af6db0fa656aa8fe5e4227f8
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 17 Oh No.flac:5af3c898ec0e88cb5d26794b15f026dd
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 18 Son Of Orange County.flac:84a9543cfb1298bbe7f0efb086d65d09
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 19 More Trouble Every Day.flac:2f1ea907d276a378f1045ab2f6d74abd
Source 1 alternate ffp:
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 15 Marty's Dance Song alt unpatched.flac:4f476b630a5ca2f8fa51e8e07f9636d5
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 16 encore audience alt.flac:2ae4fa14df55aa99c80be007f4e186b3
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 17 Oh No alt.flac:18c609b4d82e81b3bb8d50b0c5036ccc
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 18 Son Of Orange County alt.flac:684cb0320ac51272fad04485f8b6baa2
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 19 More Trouble Every Day alt.flac:872d36c52900a6a1ac7da8ae64ee245a
Source 1 patched bonus ffp:
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 15 Marty's Dance Song alt incl SBD fill.flac:3e53e4ff1c7088ae6d5b819001fbf382
unpatched Source 2 ffp:
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 12 The Booger Man unpatched.flac:506dbf8230a4c181cc6a965b9cde3d83
1974 11 09 (L) Boston MA - 14 Dupree's Paradise unpatched.flac:add33b04da814255c2ddfcf4dc43fc7d
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| 2012-04-25 00:28 |
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| Does that mean we'll get SBD version with AUD patches? |
Yes. I did this one first since the first 8 tracks will be the same to advance the seed when the time comes. Or, if people don't want the audience here they can just wait for the SBD re-seed.
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| Does that mean we'll get SBD version with AUD patches? |
Yes. I did this one first since the first 8 tracks will be the same to advance the seed when the time comes. Or, if people don't want the audience here they can just wait for the SBD re-seed. |
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| Does that mean we'll get SBD version with AUD patches? |
Yes. I did this one first since the first 8 tracks will be the same to advance the seed when the time comes. Or, if people don't want the audience here they can just wait for the SBD re-seed. |
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| 2012-04-25 02:44 |
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| Does that mean we'll get SBD version with AUD patches? |
Yes. I did this one first since the first 8 tracks will be the same to advance the seed when the time comes. Or, if people don't want the audience here they can just wait for the SBD re-seed. |
Thanks for the info, I'll take the opportunity to download the first 8 tracks now then  |
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| 2012-04-25 05:27 |
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Thank you to BobM-RobSam-DrZap-fl-Overnitefreak. 
Great show with Tom Waits. 
I'm really glad to have this upgrade and look forward to the soundboard version too.
Fantastic evening in Beantown, well worth having two polished versions!
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beautiful way to go duders
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Thanks very much 
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