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Post 2012-03-01 03:54   [Quote] 
1978 02 15
Frank Zappa
Deutschlandhalle
Berlin, Germany

SBD Low Gen / AUD MC (jaypfunk-Drew51-Dog Breath-WIU2B-flambay-mudsharknyc)

NOTICE OF (yet another) CHANGE - EFFECTIVE 2012 03 06 4:45 GMT
THIS TORRENT FILE HAS BEEN REPLACED (again) ON 2012 03 06 due to yet another minor necessary update (expected to be the last for this version of this show). The MAIN SHOW files remain exactly the same here, however the unpatched folder files have been replaced with the original ones from the very first upload prior to SBE fixing. So, if you were seeding this, you must download the new torrent. This will update the unpatched files and you'll be good to continue to seed.

Arrow JAYPFUNK LOW GEN SBD TAPE / DREW51 2011 NEW TRANSFER
This 2012 entry marks the long awaited return of the 1978 02 15 Berlin SBD recording to FZ Shows thanks to the generous tape contribution by jaypfunk and professional 2011 tape transfer by Drew51. This fresh transfer from JPF’s low generation SBD tape has been speed corrected and patched to completion using the excellent DogBreath AUD MC recording for fills (thanks to the generous tape contribution by DogBreath and professional 2012 tape transfer by WIU2B). The entire performance runs 153 minutes and 39 seconds and although the SBD tape does exhibit the element of tape hiss, it is an excellent solid A grade listen representing the best sounding version of the SBD tape acquired & assembled for FZ Shows to date. Enjoy this historic FZ time capsule performance of 34 years + past, presented to FZ Shows @ Zappateers this Leap Day 2012.

Arrow SOURCE INFORMATION
The SBD source tape used herein is indeed the same tape source used to provide the 2005 jaypfunk FZ Shows entry, which has long since been archived here:
1978 02 15 Berlin Germany SBD (jaypfunk)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1420
The archived version was an excellent sounding transfer, although incomplete. It contained solely the SBD source (warts and all) yet also carried with it a sizeable mystery cut during the first verses of Yo Mama. The tape also required further speed correction to run at the proper pitch. Thankfully, a fresh transfer was granted. This new transfer of the low generation cassettes revealed a complete Yo Mama intact further benefited by being fully speed corrected along with countless millisecond glitches appropriated. For those who may ponder, yes, the exact same millisecond glitches appear on the jaypfunk 2005 version, so these glitches were nothing new to these excellent sounding source tapes.

SBD LINEAGE: Maxell XLII (tape 1) Maxell UDXII(tape 2) Cassettes > Nakamichi CR-7A cassette deck >Tascam US-122L > Sound Forge Pro 10.0 (record/resample) > FLAC Level 8 > WAV > PEAK > Speed Correction, Editing & Tracking > FLAC level 8
Tapes obtained from jaypfunk
Tapes transferred by Drew51 2011 11 30

The above SBD source has been patched to completion utilizing approx 73 seconds of material from the excellent AUD MC recently made available in the Shoebox here:
1978 02 15 Berlin DE 163.xx AUD MC (DogBreath-WIU2B)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=23395

AUD MC LINEAGE: AUD > MKE 2002 mics > 2X BASF Ferrochrom master cassette > Nakamichi DR-10 > Terratec DMX6 Fire 24/96 soundcard > Adobe Audition 3.0.1 > 32/96 bits WAV > iZotope RX Advanced resampling to 16/44 bits WAV > Flac Frontend encoding level 8 > FLAC > WAV > PEAK > Speed Corrected used for fills
Tapes recorded & provided by DogBreath
Tapes transferred by WIU2B 2012 01 20
“Thank you Dog Breath for trusting me with your precious and delicate cassettes. For some it was probably the last time they took a spin in a cassette-machine” – WIU2B

Arrow SHEIK YERBOUTI PERFORMANCE NOTATION
This show yields 2 performances that were subsequently issued in drastically edited form on Sheik Yerbouti. The first being “Rat Tomago” in all it’s unedited glory, which appears as part of “The Torture Never Stops” performance. The second being “The Shiek Yerbouti Tango” in all it’s unedited glory, which appears as part of “Little House I Used To Live In” performance. It is indeed fascinating to experience these selections in their original context and lengthy form. Tonight’s show also highlights much of the material that would eventually come out with the release of Sheik Yerbouti. Hence, a superb performance of the developing material. Belew's finest "Flakes" moments could also be in this very show as he is allowed to conjure up an expanded seagull guitar section toward the end, where the end lyrics "we are millions & millions" have yet to be applied. A little more than a year following this performance & tour, the SY album was released (March 3rd, 1979) as the first release on Zappa Records. Most of the basic tracks were recorded from the live shows of this very band from this very tour whose journey began on 1977 09 08 at Arizona State University Activity Center, Tempe, AZ, USA and stretched 6 months spanning 10 countries through 1978 02 28 Hammersmith Odeon, London, UK. At the time of this performance, Terry Bozzio & Adrian Belew had but only 8 performance dates remaining with FZ. Belew was signed up with FZ solely for this tour, while Bozzio had been a veteran of the three prior consecutive FZ tours. Additional notes from pbuzby: According to Belew's blog http://elephant-blog.blogspot.com/2007/08/anecdote-37.html (a very interesting blog post for Zappa fans), the first show was 1977 09 08 in Tempe AZ (appearing corrected in the text above). Incidentally, it is presumably during the Yo Mama solo of this very Berlin show that Adrian Belew was offstage and met up with David Bowie, leading to Belew's departure from FZ's band.

Arrow GROUND CONTROL TO AVE MARIA
”Alright, you ready? Okay, all you people know the words to Ave Maria?” slight pause “Never mind” - FZ 1978 02 15 Shocked Now on with the show!

Arrow THIS COPY: 153.39 min SBD A (A- for AUD MC fills)

Arrow THE BAND: FZ, Adrian Belew, Patrick O’Hearn, Terry Bozzio, Ed Mann, Tommy Mars, Peter Wolf

Arrow THE SHOW:
01 Knick Knack Purple Lagoon Intro (1:51)
02 Dancin Fool (3:41)
03 Peaches En Regalia (2:34)
04 The Torture Never Stops (14:44)
- incl. Rat Tomago SY
05 Tryin To Grow A Chin (3:39)
06 City Of Tiny Lites (7:38)
07 Baby Sankes (1:54)
08 A Pound For A Brown (6:04)
09 I Have Been In You (10:32)
- includes German Boutique Girl preamble
- AUD patch fill 00:04:56 - 00:05:17 during the German Boutique Girl preamble
- AUD patch fill 00:08:16 - 00:08:18
10 Flakes (7:37)
11 Broken Hearts Are For Assholes (3:51)
12 King Kong (9:24)
13 Wild Love (6:23)
- subtle millisecond blip sound @ 00:02:04.015, partially appropriated
14 Yo Mama (11:36)
- q: Mo’s Vacation, You Are What You Is
15 Titties & Beer (6:00)
- AUD patch fill 00:02:53 - 00:03:21
16 The Black Page (2:58)
17 Jones Crusher (3:05)
- millisecond mic bump (?) @ 00:00:06.644 – 00:00:06.761
- slight line interference from 00:02:53.013 - 00:02:53.523
- slight line interference from 00:03:05.264 - 00:03:05.451
18 Little House I Used To Live In (15:29)
- incl. Bowling On Charen riff
- incl. The Sheik Yerbouti Tango (SY)
19 Dong Work For Yuda (2:58)
20 Bobby Brown (3:01)
21 Envelopes (2:16)
22 Drum Solo (4:23)
23 Disco Boy (5:31)
- millisecond mic bump (?) @ 00:00:44.019
24 Berlin Audience #1 (1:25)
25 Ave Maria Ground Control Encore Intro (0:35)
26 Dinah Moe Humm (6:29)
- AUD patch fill 00:02:41 - 00:03:02
27 Camarillo Brillo (3:24)
- millisecond blip present @ 00:00:37.508 - 00:00:37.562, removal not an option, blip sound reminiscent of an apple computer volume toggle being pressed once
- subtle millisecond blip present @ 00:01:22.719 - 00:01.22.768, removal not an option, somewhat masked here because of guitar part that comes screaming in
28 Muffin Man (4:01)
- a few slight millisecond mic bumps (?) audible between 00:00:05.228 through 00:01:05.685, the most prominent being located @ 00:00:25.258-00:00:25.289, removal not an option
29 Berlin Audience #2 (0:24)
- lo line level but preserved as present on SBD tape

Total time 153.39 min

Arrow THE FIXES HEREIN:
- Speed Correction
- Millisecond tape source click glitches appropriated throughout
- Patch fills provided where noted in setlist

Arrow SUBFOLDER INCLUDED HEREIN: unpatched
07 Baby Snakes (unfixed) (1:54)
- no appropriations made from 00:01:46.000-00:01:47.130
09 I Have Been In You (unpatched) (10:15)
- contains tape flip / cut @ 00:04:56 during the German Boutique Girl preamble
- contains dropout @ 00:07:59.500
13 Wild Love (unfixed) (6:23)
- contains full millisecond blip sound @ 00:02:04.015, blip sound reminiscent of an apple computer volume toggle being pressed once
15 Titties & Beer (unpatched) (5:37)
- contains tape flip / cut @ 00:02:54 @ “there was Milhous”
19 Dong Work For Yuda (unfixed) (2:58)
- no appropriation made from 00:01:33.033-00:01:33.202
26 Dinah Moe Humm (unpatched) (6:11)
- contains tape flip / cut @ 00:02:42

Arrow CREDITS:
Thanks to FZ & the1977 – 1978 ‘Sheik Yerbouti’ Touring Band for a thrilling evening of optional entertainment and performance at (previously) “Berlin’s finest concert hall”.
Thanks to the generous contributions by jaypfunk for the SBD tapes and Drew51 for the fresh tape transfer to digital, done on 2011 11 30.
Thanks to the generous contributions by DogBreath for recording this show, providing the MC tapes and WIU2B for the fresh tape transfer to digital, done on 2011 01 20.
Thanks to flambay for providing invaluable speed advice as well as performing patch fills to Titties & Beer and the second (2 second) patch in I Have Been In You. SA/FA on all sources presented, performed by flambay, to ensure the utmost in ZTQC.
Thanks to pbuzby for the scholarly clarification about when this tour actually commenced and for providing the great read & link to Adrian Belew’s blog.
Speed Correction, glitch appropriation, patching, editing & tracking by mudsharknyc

Thanks also goes out to all fellow Zappateers in keeping this SBD AUD show exclusive to the Zappateers tracker

Arrow DEUTSCHLANDHALLE 1935 11 29 – 2011 12 03:
A farewell/last glimpse thread (thanks to PittyLabelle) in honor of the Deutschlandhalle venue can be found at the Speakers Corner here:
Goodbye Deutschlandhalle - 10 Times Frank Zappa
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=22918

Enjoy the Rat Tomago!!!

-- mudsharknyc

www.zappateers.com/bb - Leap Day, February 2012

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1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 01 Knick Knack Purple Lagoon Intro.flac:b9c0d8b75c2743072882236b76318d82
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 02 Dancin Fool.flac:65666a1ddd73228494fea8f54b82859d
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 03 Peaches En Regalia.flac:ffc68acac9471ff34db75c154ed0ee7e
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 04 The Torture Never Stops.flac:dbeff1a1cd1dedf41f10934fae28641c
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 05 Tryin To Grow A Chin.flac:9635634ec8606084b236e767ebc75d5a
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 06 City Of Tiny Lites.flac:591128ca7b8a80f91f402e1cd5f0db2a
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 07 Baby Snakes.flac:257f2c9fa40c68ba22ad767c9b4d897d
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 08 A Pound For A Brown.flac:702bf8a46e783b3a5d7c09c322e315be
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 09 I Have Been In You.flac:cc57d14a260b716e239f8a75b266c3e5
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 10 Flakes.flac:dacb3305ef449288f58b65a7f88b6b31
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 11 Broken Hearts Are For Assholes.flac:cac422d72a4b3bec98f32356ff2b3cf7
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 12 King Kong.flac:0730106b2623946adb61c9d64e711907
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 13 Wild Love.flac:c5a7e85ceb86bffa020df64339a6288f
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 14 Yo Mama.flac:cb948f4a8949fadaf0ac585fa04324dc
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 15 Titties & Beer.flac:61da832fb2f1e463c45dc2dd34ca7a0f
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 16 The Black Page.flac:1dbac98384d751bd73b2d67a081eecfe
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 17 Jones Crusher.flac:4743592be1c9612f1b9a39fe2fe2e043
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 18 Little House I Used To Live In.flac:83d3297e8acc553bd59aace33c889379
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 19 Dong Work For Yuda.flac:ed3d1648fc8c05fd1231a3082bf6467f
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 20 Bobby Brown.flac:f9657b61d008eab50d0bad4b33d65da6
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 21 Envelopes.flac:4bd1c741c3182cfcd4809f59d30dbcfb
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 22 Drum Solo.flac:1d3780b3cb94a05c37b05b718fe47c3b
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 23 Disco Boy.flac:957cc1c0baa9103bb828e8dc40ac77ef
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 24 Berlin Audience #1.flac:eb45aeedf10cc456eacd007ae3bce8a2
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 25 Ave Maria Ground Control Encore Intro.flac:f159b6e52bb7f23508cffa2d106de70d
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 26 Dinah Moe Humm.flac:06d842d612cafa94f3f4430278d3c881
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 27 Camarillo Brillo.flac:8d2d1a7bbeda840128791552d9a89163
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 28 Muffin Man.flac:ed206b8626c5f3974bf05888b4a2fe68
1978 02 15 Berlin DE SBD AUD - 29 Berlin Audience #2.flac:44806baa2c99ced5c409d93f90ab05c3


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Post 2012-03-01 04:01   [Quote] 
just came late enough for this one....... clap clap clap band blues Guitar Solo Al blues clap clap clap
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Post 2012-03-01 04:46   [Quote] 
Dont sweat it Mud...u the goods

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Post 2012-03-01 05:30   [Quote] 
Ah well, just another opportunity to thank you (all) again I guess. Wink I don't burn CD's often, but I'll nab and seed this anyway. BTW, it sounds great, excellent show and it's rumored to be on the short list for an upcoming Listening Session.
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Post 2012-03-01 07:30   [Quote] 
Waited for this here at Zappateers, since I saw this at TTD in December ...
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Post 2012-03-01 08:49   [Quote] 
A good start for the new month!

Thank you to jaypfunk-Drew51-DogBreath-WIU2B-flambay & mudsharknyc for the group effort. Very Happy

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Post 2012-03-01 08:54   [Quote] 
Thanks guys!

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Post 2012-03-01 09:36   [Quote] 
Maddrax wrote:
Waited for this here at Zappateers, since I saw this at TTD in December ...
Thanks a lot to all involved thumbsup

Don't think it's the same lineage or patch material as the TTD version had Boguspomp and Pbuzby in the author/contributor credits with jaypfunk and doesn't mention Drew51,DogBreath,WIU2B,flambay or mudsharknyc at all. In fact it says in the notes "Thanks also goes out to all fellow Zappateers in keeping this SBD AUD show exclusive to the Zappateers tracker".

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Post 2012-03-01 10:53   [Quote] 
Thank you for all your hard work. Can't wait to hear this show.

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Post 2012-03-01 11:13   [Quote] 
Pardon my ignorance but what are SBE's?
Also, although you said ''you can simply fix the SBE's yourself when decoding the flacs..'' how easy is it for a total ignoramous like myself?

Thanks again to all you guys for all the hard work and attention to detail and quality, it really is very very much appreciated by us 'regular folks'.

(sorry for asking this question here but the link to ''Brian's bit torrent guide'' in the FAQ doesn't seem to be working)

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Post 2012-03-01 11:34   [Quote] 
SBE - Sector Boundary Error(s). The following is an explanation I found when I had exactly the same question.
Audio CDs hold data in minimum block ("sector") sizes of 1/75th second (0.01333 seconds / 2352 bytes of data / 588 stereo samples). If you try to burn an audio file to an audio CD, and its length is not an exact number of sectors, the last sector will usually be padded with digital silence (zeros). This gap is referred to as a "sector boundary error" because it is an error caused by a large audio file having been split into individual tracks at places other than sector boundaries (1/75th second intervals).

As such, an SBE is a silence of less-than-but-not-equal-to 1/75th second found "between" audio tracks on a CD. I say "between" because technically it is at the end of the preceeding track and has nothing to do with the one that follows. In some cases, this flaw could be completely unnoticeable, as it could be only one sample, and could fit neatly into the current flow of samples. However, more likely it will leave an audible silence, or an audible click. The click is caused when the silence interrupts a "loud" part of the waveform, i.e. one that is not close to digital silence. The waveform makes a sudden jump from a loud value to silence, and then back up again to carry on when it left off.

Once you burn an audio CD with SBEs, the silences become part of the audio data - they won't disappear again if/when you extract back to your computer. An audio file extracted from a CD can never have an SBE because it's come from a CD and is as such sector-boundary-aligned.
Hope this helps.
Edit: In answer to "how easy is it", in Xact it's really simple. Can't say for any other programs.

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Post 2012-03-01 11:38   [Quote] 
Thanks very much tunes

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Post 2012-03-01 13:28   [Quote] 
Cheers for the explanation TOGFIADO.
Although, if I've understood it correctly, it seems there are some periods of silence (less-than-but-not-equal-to 1/75th of a second) 'between' the audio tracks .. Is this so bad? Or am I missing something? Maybe I'll burn a CD and see how it sounds.
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Post 2012-03-01 14:35   [Quote] 
You can barely hear it - it's not like silence, more a feeling of Oh right, that's where they split the tracks.

I'd noticed it on a couple of shows I'd burned to CD, but until now had no idea what it was.
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