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1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 126.13 SBD AUD (RobSam-doctorzap-fzmoi69-mudsharky-pbuzby-flambay-mudsharknyc)
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Post 2011-11-11 19:30   [Quote] 
1984 08 25
Frank Zappa
The Pier
New York City, NY

SBD/AUD (RobSam-doctorzap-fzmoi69-mudsharky-pbuzby-flambay-mudsharknyc)

Arrow THE PIER NYC 1984 PREAMBLE
This FZ Shows entry provides an essential SBD source upgrade from any previous FZ Shows version, to date, while merging another 2 audience sources to complete the concert. This show is a fun listen and captures FZ & the 1984 Touring Band approximately 5 weeks into the first leg of their North American 20th Anniversary touring schedule. They are definitely having a good time on stage during the evenings twilight hour. Heck, some of the band were seemingly trapped in the twilight hour as well as they manage to mess up more than once during the setlist but prominently at one point, where FZ stops the show! What ensues is a quite entertaining correction ceremony to the tune of “No that’s not right. That is not right. That is absolutely not correct. Look at that piece of paper in front of you. No, cancel on that, that is totally incorrect. Okay, let’s do it right, take it from…” and then he stops the band again “No, give ‘em the right chord, give ‘em the right chord. Alright now do it right…..” This stoppage occurs at the segue point coming out of “He’s So Gay” where the band is supposed to go into “Honey Don’t You Want A Man Like Me” but some of the band goes into “Bobby Brown” as if they were on some kind of one way twilight zone auto-pilot. And it’s not the first time they mess up during the show, however by this point FZ puts ‘em in check and stops the show!

A great example of fine musicianship & miraculous performance here definitely goes to Chad Wackerman whose skill & utmost awareness amazingly keeps the band out of as much trouble as possible. Chad makes no mistakes but doesn’t allow any train wrecks either, other than where FZ stops the show. Chad’s seamless shape-shifting rhythmic abilities truly saves the day in previous spots where the band clearly messes up. I would say the first notable big mess up (there are others) occurs at the very beginning of “Trouble Every Day”, but the pure rhythmical genius of drumming overcomes. May as well been introduced as Chad Wackerman, MD for this show. Could the band have been extra nervous performing for the filming crew, could it have been something in the air adrift from the decks of the nearby USS Intrepid or could some of the band members entered a time-warp only to be exposed to the genius works of Rod Serling?

For those who do not know, the Pier was an excellent outdoor venue residing all the way over on NYC’s West Side between NYC’s West Side Highway and the Hudson River. It was truly a fantastic venue to catch any show with its location providing a beautiful backdrop of the waterway well within a stones throw of the USS Intrepid, a former air carrier ship that, after being relieved of duty, transformed into a floating Sea, Air and Space museum.

This entertaining summer event took place approximately 5 weeks into the 1984 tour where FZ & band performed over 2 nights, this show being the very first night. The DHBIM-v contains some footage from this show although most of the material for DHBIM-v comes from the second nights’ engagement on the 26th. However, for this show, there has been some material that has made it to various FZ releases including the YCDTOSA series & HIOS, all listed in the setlist below.

Enjoy this excellent Summer outing in NYC from back in the days of silly hair, designer jeans, the still early years of Mtv & the “Smell The Glove” motto (Arf!).


Arrow SBD SOURCE INFORMATION: The main SBD upgrade portion herein originates from a 2nd generation SBD source as provided by the RobSam-doctorzap Shoebox entry found here:
1984 08 25 The Pier, New York, NY sbd 2nd gen (RobSam doctorzap):
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=22013

LINEAGE: Maxell XLII 2nd GEN > Nakamichi DR-1 > Realtek HDAudio pentium i7 > Soundforge 10 Pro Highest quality setting Izotope 64 bit src downsampling / MBIT+dither > TLH > WAV > PEAK >2011 patching, editing & retracking > FLAC (level 8)

SQ for this main SBD portion rates as a solid A (perhaps even an A+ for some) and provides a fun listen.

Arrow AUD PATCH SOURCE INFORMATION: It took 2 different AUD sources to render a complete show here. The main AUD portion herein originates from a 1st generation cassette as provided by fzmoi69, then professionally transferred & shoeboxed by doctorzap here:
1984 08 25 NYC 1ST (fzmoi69 doctorzap) DR-1
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21516

LINEAGE: Master tape > Maxell XLII-90 1st > Nakamichi DR-1 > Realtek HDAudio pentium i7 > Soundforge 10 Pro Highest quality setting Izotope 64 bit src downsampling / MBIT+dither > TLH > WAV > PEAK > speed correction, patching, editing & tracking > FLAC (level 8)

SQ for this main AUD patch portion rates as a B grade, give or take a brain cell, imo.

The secondary AUD portion herein, which is used for a mere 12 seconds of AUD fills, originates from an unknown generation cassette as provided by mudsharky, then professionally transferred, edited & made available in a 2010 FZ Shows entry by pbuzby available here:
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 126.14 AUD (mudsharky-pbuzby)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18108

LINEAGE: unknown gen AUD > Sony TC-WE475 > REALTEC AC-97 >
Goldwave (recording) > CDWav (tracking) > FLAC 8 > FLAC > WAV > PEAK > used for small patch to fxmoi69 AUD source

SQ for this secondary AUD patch fill portion rates as a B- grade, imo. Though it is important to note what pbuzby wrote in the FZ Shows entry for this show: “It's not a perfect recording (a rumbling noise throughout as well as lots of crowd) but the darker, stereo sound is a nice alternative to the bright sound of the other version. FZ's talking is also easier to hear.” (slightly edited)

Arrow UPGRADE INFORMATION: This FZ Shows entry upgrades the following 3 previous entries as listed below:

1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 125.55 SBD-AUD (BengoFury-fzmoi69-ADtull-flambay) ZTLS#377
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=16300

1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 72.39 SB (BengoFury)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2178

1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 125.45 AUD MC (fzmoi69-Adictedttull-flambay)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=16297

Arrow OTHER EXISTING VARIANTS FOR THIS DATE:
There exists the following 4 variants for this perfomance which include a soundcheck, a video and the complete 2 versions of the audience sources used to patch this FZ Shows entry as follows:

SOUNDCHECK
1984 08 25 New York City (Soundcheck) 11.04 Aud (Hoosac92-Kristoftof)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10580

VIDEO
1984 08 25 New York City NY AUD 128.00 DVD PAL (HDJ)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6422

2 AUDIENCE SOURCES
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC 126.14 AUD (mudsharky-pbuzby)
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18108
and
1984 08 25 NYC 1ST (fzmoi69 doctorzap) DR-1
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21516

Arrow SAMPLES & FILLS DISCUSSION FOR THIS DATE:
Additionally, for those interested, the Sample threads for this show can be found here:
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC SBD 2nd gen (RobSam doctorzap) DR-1 Samples
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=22377
and
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC final AUD patch speed verification
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=22771

Okay, that’s enough of that, now on with the show, folks....:

Arrow THIS COPY: 126.13 min, SBD A and AUD B/B-

Arrow THE BAND:
FZ, Ike Willis, Ray White, Scott Thunes, Chad Wackerman, Allan Zavod, Bobby Martin.

Arrow THE SHOW:
01 NYC Pier Audience Welcome (1:16)
- concert starts with the fzmoi69-doctorzap AUD 1st generation tape source through the first two thirds of Zoot Allures
- slight fade in applied to the very beginning of the tape, during audience applause
02 Zoot Allures (6:00)
- switch to RS DRZ SBD source @ 00:03:41.220
03 Band Introductions (1:10)
04 City Of Tiny Lites (7:27)
05 You Are What You Is (3:44)
06 Mudd Club (2:32)
07 The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing (3:06)
08 Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy (6:16)
09 Advance Romance (6:50)
10 Trouble Every Day (4:50)
- notable band mistake at very beginning here, that somehow amazingly works, thanks to the prowess of Chad's drumming
11 Penguin In Bondage (4:52)
- q: New York New York
12 Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel (6:00)
- fzmoi69-doctorzap AUD patch from 00:04:01.703-00:05:26:447
13 Dumb All Over (05:46)
- HIOS
14 The Tape Changing Fart Around (6:28)
- improvisations on Dumb All Over vamp, q: Maple Leaf Rag, New York New York, My Sharona
15 He’s So Gay (2:47)
- parts on YCDTOSA#6
16 Band Mess Up (1:41)
- some of the band segues into the wrong song “Bobby Brown”, FZ lets ‘em have it, then has the band pick it up from the “Do You Really Want To Hurt Me” end section of “He’s So Gay” in order to segue into the correct next number… as duly noted in the written preamble of this FZ Shows thread header
17 Honey Don’t You Want A Man Like Me (4:31)
- parts on YCDTOSA#3
18 Carol You Fool (3:53)
19 Chana In De Bushwop (3:54)
- SBD source ends @ 00:00:00.275 just after the very first snare drum hit that begins this song prior to the keyboard entry
- fzmoi69-doctorzap AUD patch source from 00:00:00.275-00:03:52.403
- mudsharky-pbuzby AUD patch source from 00:03:52.403 through the ending onward into “Let’s Move To Cleveland”
20 Let’s Move To Cleveland (15:17)
- includes Butter Or Canyons, TRF
- q: My Sharona, Isn’t It Romantic?
- mudsharky-pbuzby AUD patch source from 00:00:00.000 -00:00:10.297
- fzmoi69-doctorzap AUD patch resumes @ 00:00:10.297 and continues as the main AUD patch source for the remainder of the show.
21 Encore Audience #1 (0:24)
22 The Closer You Are (2:07)
23 Johnny Darling (0:48)
24 No No Cherry (1:32)
25 Cosmik Debris (4:47)
26 Encore Audience #2 (0:23)
25 Sharleena (8:48)
28 The Illinois Enema Bandit (9:53)
- slight fade out applied to the very end of the tape, during audience applause, no music missing

Total time 126.13 min

Arrow THE FIXES HEREIN:
Speed correction of -15 cents applied on the entire fzmoi69-doctorzap AUD source.
Variable speed correction applied to AUD patch fill portion between “Chana In De Bushwop” & “Let’s Move To Cleveland”.
All other patch edits & fixes performed are where listed in the show setlist.

Arrow SUBFOLDER INCLUDED HEREIN: unpatched
02 Zoot Allures (unpatched) (2:21)
- as is, untouched, cuts in where SBD source begins
12 Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel (unpatched) (4:36)
- SBD source as is, untouched, with source cut @ 00:04:02.000 during the guitar solo
18 Carol You Fool (unpatched) (3:54)
- as is, untouched, where SBD source ends, song complete, but cuts @ 00:03:53.953 during the very beginning notes of “Chana In De Bushwop”

Arrow CREDITS:
Thanks to FZ & the 1984 Touring Band for a thoroughly entertaining NYC performance
Thanks to RobSam for providing the excellent SBD source tape upgrade
Thanks to fzmoi69 for providing the main AUD patch source tape to compliment and fill the RS SBD
Thanks to doctorzap for providing the professional tape transfers of both the RS SBD & the fzm69 AUD via NAK DR-1 as well as for kindly presenting them originally here in the ZT shoebox
Thanks to mudsharky for providing the unknown generation AUD patch fill tape source portion herein
Thanks to pbuzby for the mudsharky AUD tape transfer and for presenting a complete version of this source in FZ Shows
Thanks to flambay for providing speed correction advice and pitch bend segment fix
Non-variable speed correction, patching, editing, tracking & other fixes by mudsharknyc

Enjoy!!

-- mudsharknyc

www.zappateers.com/bb - November 2011

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1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 04 City Of Tiny Lites.flac:dfc450b40db270252cd630efecb4f77f
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 05 You Are What You Is.flac:533251c3f6851b22173545eae12afab8
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1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 07 The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.flac:1fef2535f4b879b89f778396b12c53e3
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 08 Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy.flac:4e2991f2db8a237d3ce5236f81b056ed
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 09 Advance Romance.flac:b37f88fe3209cd1179a131a110d58d6b
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 10 Trouble Every Day.flac:9745e2771571f0b22028d21bf11f715b
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 11 Penguin In Bondage.flac:697c30ec47fce1f5d379a9ef01e6d760
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 12 Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel.flac:d820354d1ff6ac5034ba1a5b9f599306
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 13 Dumb All Over.flac:b0f5313823b4baf279cc4a8a6acf10ed
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 14 The Tape Changing Fart Around.flac:fffeeae5d758145c09b9ef5144e02e46
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 15 He's So Gay.flac:a80eabb401f0a9547434680996feee44
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 16 Band Mess Up.flac:a664921a14c19614f7e2c2745fe34189
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 17 Honey Don't You Wanna Man Like Me.flac:023a417f3432f6de3843d568775a8e6f
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 18 Carol You Fool.flac:5feeeec6e16a7d4288146458ad6ed16c
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1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 20 Let's Move To Cleveland.flac:d839375d318d48ea6e6782f5181c8f64
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 21 Encore Audience #1.flac:d804a639a060f2642a92d59302ea4657
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 22 The Closer You Are.flac:a080b2d602111d89343e487897aa9732
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 24 Johnny Darling.flac:b709500cea777ffd070f406427ff13d2
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 24 No No Cherry.flac:7539ddfef6702fd4954bb273e47bc5fb
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 25 Cosmik Debris.flac:b2a0cf3a927761a800c9bc2df524711e
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 26 Encore Audience #2.flac:38bb7915ee53277e2028a10e4f4dc8fc
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 27 Sharleena.flac:c5041cd737d8fd51d42e246c0817cd79
1984 08 25 The Pier NYC - 28 Illinois Enema Bandit.flac:ba27a2be783f034c2073b401f99ffe54


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Post 2011-11-11 19:39   [Quote] 
for this one, and many others, thanks to all involved...

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Post 2011-11-11 19:46   [Quote] 
Thanks very much tunes

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Post 2011-11-11 19:56   [Quote] 
I was taping one of the pier shows, with lousy equipment. Everyone was standing on their seats. I got a tap on my butt and it was Big John confiscating the tape.
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Post 2011-11-11 20:40   [Quote] 
Thank you for sharing!

@ scompton are you sure that wasn't Herman Cain tapping you on the butt? roflol of course real sexual harrassment is no laughing matter.. Twisted Evil
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Big thanks from Atlanta;-)
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Many thanks!
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Thank you!
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Post 2011-11-11 22:00   [Quote] 
Thanks, everybody!!

BTW, the technically-correct name of the venue is "Pier 84."

Each of the piers along the Hudson River has its own number... The rock shows (I also saw King Crimson, Arlo Guthrie, the Plasmatics, etc.) were on Pier 84.

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Post 2011-11-11 22:44   [Quote] 
Thank You !

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Post 2011-11-12 00:06   [Quote] 
awesome. love the 1984 band. a lot of ppl shit on it and they are doo-doo all heads!!

it had great FZ solos, great secret word stuff, cool set lists, excellent improvs and general fun. so fuck the haters!!

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Post 2011-11-12 04:12   [Quote] 
Thanks for uploading but I thought there was already a SBD-AUD torrent for this show here? I may be wrong, but if there was a previous torrent how is this one different form the old one?

I agree with jaypfunk: the 1984 gets a bad rep and it's nowhere as bad as people say. I loved the beginning of the tour when Napoleon was in the band. The recordings from that period of 1984 present the best versions of The Evil Prince. My all time favorite FZ tours are 1970-1971 and 1988 though.

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Many thanks for sharing this recording! I like many of the '84 shows too.
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Post 2011-11-12 08:25   [Quote] 
Many thanks !

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Post 2011-11-12 10:18   [Quote] 
these were some great shows and the weather was neither to hot nor to cold

the intrepid in the background mine the harbour

crowd a bit over zealous
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