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Zappa Ponty & Berk - Thee Experience- L.A.- Sept. 22, 1969
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Post 2011-09-04 18:43   [Quote] 
Zappa & Ponty jamming with George Duke Trio so the unknown drummer of the pic should be Dirk Berk. Smile

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Post 2011-09-04 19:17   [Quote] 
Sept. 26, 1969 - Valley State Daily Sundial - Page 7 Smile

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Post 2011-09-04 19:35   [Quote] 
I want the tape drool Mr. Green
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Post 2011-09-04 19:50   [Quote] 
I want the songlist
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Post 2011-09-04 20:09   [Quote] 
Probably they were recording the live album by Jean Luc Experience with The George Duke Trio album...later released.

Tracklist:

"Foosh" (George Duke) – 8:48
"Pamukkale" (Wolfgang Dauner) – 6:15
"Contact" (Jean-Luc Ponty) – 7:03
"Cantaloupe Island" (Herbie Hancock) – 8:20
"Starlight, Starbright" (Jean-Bernard Eisinger) – 9:00

And the article mentions "Light My Fire"..." the only familiar pop number of the evening".

Perhaps also performed some theme of "Hot Rats" which had been already released when Zappa joined them towards the end of the show...
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Post 2011-09-04 21:31   [Quote] 
thank you al fresco. I can just imagine the patter "" we have a young and up and comeing guitarist to join us here on the stage please put your hands together for frank zappa''
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Post 2011-09-05 01:50   [Quote] 
Do I recall correctly hearing a tape of FZ playing with Ponty's trio in Paris sometime ago? It's all a fog now....
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Post 2011-09-05 04:08   [Quote] 
Great find Al Razz Could the "unidentified drummer" be Aldo Romano? hmm
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Post 2011-09-05 06:45   [Quote] 
alfonzo wrote:
Great find Al Razz Could the "unidentified drummer" be Aldo Romano? hmm


I don΄t think so.

We have a pic of him here: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=21515

He has a moustache but not glasses as appears the above drummer.

I understand that he had to be in France at this time.

By other side:

We have the confirmation of this gig ( with George Duke Trio):

http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/1969.html

69/09/24 Los Angeles CA
Thee Experience
CONFIRMED Jean-Luc Ponty + George Duke Trio FZ sat in with Jean-Luc Ponty + George Duke Trio. bnrdws says 09/24. gdws says 09/27, probably based on date of CB review. "22th" in LAFP ad is presumably a typo for 24th.

Note: the gig was on Monday night according to the article so had to be on Sept. 22, 1969 .

And the live album from the Thee Experience was recorded on Sept. 1969:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Ponty_Experience_with_the_George_Duke_Trio
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Post 2011-09-05 17:08   [Quote] 
Dick Berk also has his own website with a recent photo.
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Post 2011-09-05 17:34   [Quote] 
According to this Blue Note discography the Thee Experience (re-edited on a double vinyl with King Kong) was recorded on sept. 24, 1969
http://www.jazzdisco.org/blue-note-records/discography-1969-1970/#690924
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Post 2011-09-05 20:09   [Quote] 
cosmikd wrote:
According to this Blue Note discography the Thee Experience (re-edited on a double vinyl with King Kong) was recorded on sept. 24, 1969
http://www.jazzdisco.org/blue-note-records/discography-1969-1970/#690924


Yes though it seems to be that had more shows...

http://rockarchaeology101.blogspot.com/2010/11/7751-sunset-blvd-los-angeles-ca-thee.html

September 24, 1969: Jean Luc Ponty Experience with the George Duke Trio
This show was recorded for a live album with George Duke on Fender piano, John Heard on bass and Dick Bock on drums. There were probably several more shows. These were Jean Luc Ponty's American debut, and it seems that these shows were how Frank Zapppa discovered both Ponty and George Duke.


Btw: Ponty had already recorded Hot Rats with Zappa.
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Post 2011-09-05 20:48   [Quote] 
The chronology doesn't mention when Ponty recorded his part for "It Must Be A Camel," but it does give the release date of Hot Rats as October 15, 1969 so it was likely finished by September 24.

I remember drdork mentioning Roy Estrada told him that Ponty had sat in live with the original MOI.
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Post 2011-09-05 21:47   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
The chronology doesn't mention when Ponty recorded his part for "It Must Be A Camel," but it does give the release date of Hot Rats as October 15, 1969 so it was likely finished by September 24.

I remember drdork mentioning Roy Estrada told him that Ponty had sat in live with the original MOI.


It appears the date of:

August 28, 1969 Whitney Studios, Glendale, CA
FZ--guitar, percussion
Ian Underwood--keyboards, woodwinds
It Must Be A Camel [08]

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/chronology/1965-1969.html

and

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/songs/It_Must_Be_A_Camel.html
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Post 2011-09-05 22:18   [Quote] 
In an interview Ponty said that his only request to record King Kong was to play with George Duke, here how Zappa met Duke...
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