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Post 2010-02-05 12:22   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
and The Mothers Of Invention

Athletic and Convocation Center
Notre Dame University
South Bend, IN
1974-05-12


~~ new transfer (Jun 2005) from master cassettes, speed corrected ~~

Upgrade to our current (Shoebox) seed of this same source:
- speed corrected: all tracks -39cts, except radio spot: -27cts (advices from Prof.Goody)
- flawed parts/skips (Wowie Zowie and Son Of Orange County) patched with unknown gen copy material from an earlier transfer of the same master source
- re-tracked and tracks renamed along current seeding convention
- many 'one-channel' drop-out spots fixed

No patches currently available for tape flip cuts (Inca Roads & OCLT/Oh No)

Last (circulating) 1974 show with the extended Roxy line-up, excellent A- sound. Enjoy !!


available tapes according FZshows:
1974 05 12 - Convocation Center, Notre Dame University, South Bend, ID
Part of this show is available on Unmitigated Audacity - BTB.
140 min, Aud, A-

soundcheck intro, Cosmik Debris, Pygmy Twylyte (incl. Dummy Up), The Idiot Bastard Son, Cheepnis, Penguin In Bondage, Inca Roads, Montana, improvisations (incl. The Booger Man, Room Service), Dupree's Paradise (q: Sweet Leilani, Mystery Tune, Don't You Ever Wash That Thing?), It Can't Happen Here, Hungry Freaks Daddy, You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here, How Could I Be Such A Fool?, I Ain't Got No Heart, I'm Not Satisfied, Wowie Zowie, Let's Make The Water Turn Black, Harry You're A Beast, The Orange County Lumber Truck, Oh No, Trouble Every Day, Louie Louie, Camarillo Brillo


This version: 144.11, AUD MC, A-

Lineage:
master Capitol II C120 audience cassettes > Nakamichi BX-125 > Aardvark Q10 > 24bit wav > Soundforge > flac (sector align) >
wav > Soundforge 9: speed correction a.o.edits, re-tracking, patched with fill source material > flac TLH lvl8 w/SBA (912 MB)

taped by: tsinsomnia
transferred by: tsinsomnia
speed correction advices: goody
edited by: flambay

Fills (for damaged parts in main source)
from unknown gen copy of an earlier transfer of the same source (Aud, B),
provided by Drew51
samples seed ("Drew#2 version"): http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18264

Lineage: Maxell XLII Cassette>Nakamichi CR-7A cassette deck>Tascam US-122L>
Sound Forge Pro 10.0 (record/edits/resample)>FLAC Level 8 >
Soundforge 9: speed correction, extracting patches and merging with main source

taped by: tsinsomnia
transferred by: Drew51
edited by: flambay

The Mothers Of Invention:
Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals
Jeff Simmons - guitar, vocals
Napoleon Murphy Brock - tenor sax, vocals
George Duke - keyboards, vocals
Don Preston - keyboards
Bruce Fowler - trombone
Walt Fowler - trumpet
Tom Fowler - bass
Ralph Humphrey - drums
Chester Thompson - drums

Setlist:

00 Pre-concert radio spot (WRBR-FM) [1:04]

01 Crowd, Announcements, Soundcheck & Tune-up [7:41]
02 Frank says hello, tunes and intros band [4:05]
03 Cosmik Debris [14:01]
04 Pygmy Twylyte (incl. Dummy Up) [6:46]
05 The Idiot Bastard Son [2:19]
06 Cheepnis [6:05]
07 Penguin in Bondage [9:28]
08 Inca Roads [15:19] tf/cut at 9.26
09 Montana [6:59]
10 Dupree's Paradise Pt.1 (improvisations, incl. The Hook, Booger Man, Room Service) [7:14]
11 Dupree's Paradise Pt.2 (main theme, solos) (q: Sweet Leilani, Hawaiian Mystery Tune, Don't You Ever wash That Thing ?) [17:27]
12 It Can't Happen Here (q: Holiday In Berlin) [2:18]
13 Hungry Freaks, Daddy (q: Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet) [2:45]
14 You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here [2:43]
15 How Could I Be Such a Fool [3:40]
16 I Ain't Got No Heart (q: Willie The Pimp) [2:18]
17 I'm Not Satisfied [2:17]
18 Wowie Zowie [3:16] flaw/Drew51 source patch {0:41-0:45}
19 Let's Make the Water Turn Black [2:01]
20 Harry, You're a Beast [1:04]
21 Orange County Lumber Truck [0:38] tf/fades out
22 Oh No [1:07] tf/cuts in
23 Son Of Orange County [6:58] flaw/Drew51 source patch {5:08-5:12}
24 More Trouble Every Day (q: Pygmy Twylyte) [7:46]
25 Louie Louie [1:53]
26 Camarillo Brillo [5:50]

Total time (patched) 144.11 min (tracks 01-26)

Unpatched tracks (MC source, June 2005 transfer only)
in separate subfolder (64,8 MB):
18 Wowie Zowie (unpatched) [3:13] flaws/skip around 0:41
23 Son Of Orange County (unpatched) [6:55] flaws/skip around 5:08

Total time (MC source, June 2005 transfer only) 144.06 min

Original tsinsomnia Notes:

I taped this show on a Craig mono cassette recorder with a Kent external microphone. Shortly after the concert, I traded the tape around, and later it wound up on a bootleg LP entitled "Unmitigated Audacity" in very degraded form - it runs too slow and is muffled-sounding. I had nothing to do with this boot. Unmitigated Audacity, in unaltered form, was later included as part of the first Beat the Boots series, which is now long out of print.

The original tapes, while not recorded on the best equipment 1974 had to offer, sound very nice for the period and far better than the well-known bootleg. Note that I was recording on 120m cassettes, and the long medleys and my fascination with the show resulted in tape running out twice during the music: Inca Roads has music missing at 9:28. Also, the end of Harry You're a Beast and beginning of Oh No are lost due to late tape flips.

No EQ/compression has been used - what you hear is what is exactly what is on the original cassettes. Also, I've created a separate folder for pre-show tune-ups and the pre-show radio ad. No music (aside from instruments tuning) or Zappa monologue is in this folder, This way, every second of sound from the original concert tapes is included here.

The opening act was Bill Quateman. I also recorded that set.


flambay add. notes:
The pre-concert "Extra Subfolder" tracks from the orig.seed are now included in the main folder: tracks 00 and 01
The actual show ("Frank Says Hello") starts at track 02.

credits:
Many thanks to tsinsomnia for taping this show and for the original seed.
Special thanks to Prof.Goody for speed corrction advices.
Thanks to Drew51 for providing the patches for the damaged parts in the main source (skips).

Enjoy !!

-- flambay

www.zappateers.com/bb - February 2010

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original tsinsomnia MC seed (Shoebox): http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2170

samples:
tsinsomnia MC: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18249
Chunga's Revenge: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18254
Drew#1, Drew#2: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=18264

ffp:
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 00 WRBR-FM ad for concert.flac:325f144159c7a5d8d41068369f5747c2
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 01 Crowd, Soundcheck & Tune-up.flac:bcdf0592fa5207ac199f790227310207
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 02 Frank Says Hello.flac:4a540fc50ae42fe187a8a1d46a5057ed
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 03 Cosmik Debris.flac:3a6349a49ce460e847e79f7d96fa8ac7
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 04 Pygmy Twylyte.flac:a9be13d6c34c112bdabe4fe0c24429af
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 05 The Idiot Bastard Son.flac:e396edf37a4d4922dc6625589d459c8a
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 06 Cheepnis.flac:027725df2f53bd65381c41b7ea3a7252
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 07 Penguin in Bondage.flac:599d035914d7cee142864018aa66f848
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 08 Inca Roads.flac:80c660884d623c836f3ebb57a2911e62
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 09 Montana.flac:671cb57697c433cb833f3a18461ab2c5
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 10 Dupree's Paradise pt.1.flac:32038f8030b94d6b80398306041f7d19
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 11 Dupree's Paradise pt.2.flac:0f17d6998fec234b6cc28b4c3354ddfb
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 12 It Can't Happen Here.flac:e68037bdf4245e32548bde47985b1336
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 13 Hungry Freaks, Daddy.flac:e48915ec636a849935c64b7374d23a3b
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 14 You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here.flac:6657086d6d03b08b17e89272a7d96c2b
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 15 How Could I Be Such A Fool.flac:0c96168cc59823f92be9023677804df8
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 16 I Ain't Got No Heart.flac:46f64f78d05c45d9a7163aa189bc7468
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 17 I'm Not Satisfied.flac:13979aac21cf474736c6cf867bcf6e3f
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 18 Wowie Zowie.flac:fc00bec0099aa0b67c437b3f41c35e43
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 19 Let's Make The Water Turn Black.flac:7fcb77bc80f4b422c99d2fbcd10a80a2
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 20 Harry You're A Beast.flac:a237e80d525a2e1b0ea3f97a57818258
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 21 Orange County Lumber Truck.flac:ee5b4534966c4f52049ea2dbfd7b01bb
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 22 Oh No.flac:d10333a545b46ce6327d7d9e925b5c16
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 23 Son Of Orange County.flac:2aa06cca2907defc4456915cccfbc8ef
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 24 More Trouble Every Day.flac:beb79e02b722b5522b70e4bdf8460f83
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 25 Louie Louie.flac:e75bdce0194a1b9bb2c9a9e596d566ad
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 26 Camarillo Brillo.flac:a7f6f553fbbfe7f9a3b0e5c761cd05f3

1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 18 Wowie Zowie (MC unpatched).flac:eb4383b73a6b59321f27f4859c3be9a5
1974 05 12 South Bend IN - 23 Son Of Orange County (MC unpatched).flac:edb840531d49880831fc3f1f4f393bff


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Post 2010-02-05 12:36   [Quote] 
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The original tapes, while not recorded on the best equipment 1974 had to offer, sound very nice for the period and far better than the well-known bootleg.

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Thank you- I shall be listening to this as soon as it finishes downloading.

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Thanks for the upgrade!

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Post 2010-02-05 13:14   [Quote] 
I love these exteneded lineup shows. The ones in 76 are good too.
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Post 2010-02-05 13:17   [Quote] 
Well done!!
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Post 2010-02-05 14:27   [Quote] 
Guys, I really, really, really love this place ! Thank You so much for sharing all this music, and for the time you devote into making this happen.

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Post 2010-02-05 14:50   [Quote] 
Unmitigated thanks!!
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Post 2010-02-05 15:18   [Quote] 
One of the BEST Mothers line-ups ever. If Ruth had been there, it would have been THE best. THANKS!!!!
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Post 2010-02-05 15:21   [Quote] 
Excellent post - thanks directly from my hard(rive) to you.

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Post 2010-02-05 15:41   [Quote] 
As an aside now apparantly lost to the dusty cracks of history was the the knowledge that this event took place on Sunday May 12, which was Mother's Day on the official 10th Anniversary Tour.
This then was as close to an actual 10th Anniversary MOI show as one could get.
Thanks for this treat.

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Post 2010-02-05 16:01   [Quote] 
fromnabulax wrote:
This then was as close to an actual 10th Anniversary MOI show as one could get.

Or would have been, if The Mothers had been founded in 1964.

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Post 2010-02-05 16:49   [Quote] 
drdork wrote:
fromnabulax wrote:
This then was as close to an actual 10th Anniversary MOI show as one could get.

Or would have been, if The Mothers had been founded in 1964.
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They were, and this was billed as The Tenth Anniversary Tour at the time. Even the Zappateers Catalogue reads:
T

he 1974's US 10th Anniversary Tour : April - May
For this tour are known 7 unofficially taped shows (incl. 1 sbd)
A little of Roxy & Elsewhere was recorded during this tour and the whole Unmitigated Audacity (probably the worst of the whole batch of the BTB serie).
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1974 04 20 Toledo, OH - Aud 75min B+
on the tracker: 1974 04 20 Toledo 76.09 Aud 1st gen (Yojimbo) ZTLS #191 PT 1 seeded 2005-12-20

1974 04 24 Indianapolis, IN - Aud 130min B-
on the tracker: 1974 04 24 Indianapolis 132.21 Aud (Yojimbo) seeded 2007-11-11
note: unknown gen, includes a short section from 1st gen

1974 05 01 Binghamton, NY - Aud 115min A-
on the tracker: 1974 05 01 Binghamton 116.13 Aud MC (Grape-Yojimbo) seeded 2007-01-16
note: an hissy 112.29 unknown gen, problably missing something, was seeded by wissing

1974 05 04 Washington, DC - Aud 70min C+ and SBD 10min B+
only the sbd on the tracker: 1974 05 04 Washington DC 12.10 SBD (globual) seeded 2005-10-16 - aud tape not available
note: unfortunately this unknown gen version of the SBD is very nr; another version (from ninja) is not better, upgraded reseed really needed - aud tape never seen as lossless

1974 05 08 Edinboro, PA - SBD 125min A-/B+
on the tracker: 1974 05 08 Edinboro, PA 121.46 SBD (walk-BF) seeded 2005-09-07
note: speed corrected reseed of a BengoFury unknown gen version
boot version : 74 05 08 Edinboro, PA 137.50 - SBD - Elsewhere - Bootleg CD (Pittylabelle) (with some extra material) - seeded 2008-10-16

1974 05 10 Flint, MI - Aud 100min B+
on the tracker : 1974 05 10 Flint MI 99.03 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap-The Evil Prince) seeded 2009-11-14
- archived :
* 1974 05 10 Flint, MI 98.13 AUD MC (JS-doctorzap) shoebox
* 1974 05 10 Flint MI 94.35 1st gen Aud (Yojimbo) ZTLS#264

1974 05 12 South Bend, ID - Aud 140min A-
on the tracker: 1974 05 12 South Bend IN AUD 140.30 MC (tsinsomnia) seeded 2005-09-12 Q&C Approved
source note: this is the show of the infamous Unmitigated Audacity BTB

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Post 2010-02-05 18:09   [Quote] 
very nice indeed.. are the Drew51 patches 24bit as well?

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Post 2010-02-05 18:20   [Quote] 
sibbz wrote:
very nice indeed.. are the Drew51 patches 24bit as well?

No, I have received both sources in 16 bit (original Shoebox seed and Drew patches). Neutral

I figure a 24bit seed of this show would be more than 2 GB.
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Post 2010-02-05 18:41   [Quote] 
thanks for this...conceptual continuity continues....
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