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1973 05 09 Passaic NJ 187.06 AUD MC (Grape-musigny23-flambay) ZTLS#400 ZTLS#553
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Post 2009-12-07 12:01   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
1973-05-09
Capitol Theater
Passaic NJ


~~ from Grape Master cassettes ~~

fresh tape rip > DAT > flac with 'cleaner' lineage
see musigny23 note at bottom of post.

possible upgrade to previous (CD-R > EAC) sourced seeds
which may also have undergone various 'clean-ups' and channel manipulations in the process.

Here we're having a raw 'as is' transfer from the original tape.

"Zero editing or processing" (musigny23),
except for the subsequent speed correction (flambay)


available tapes according FZshows:
1973 05 09 - Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ
190 min, Aud, B+
soundcheck intro, RDNZL, Willie The Pimp (incl. Dental Floss speech), Montana, improvisations, Dupree's Paradise, Camarillo Brillo, Yellow Snow Suite, Farther Oblivion,
Cosmik Debris, Dog Meat, Fifty-Fifty, Big Swifty (incl. Sleep Dirt, Nowhere riff), Eat That Question, Zomby Woof, Mr Green Genes, King Kong, Chunga's Revenge, Mr Green Genes


This copy: 187.06 min, AUD MC, A-/B+

recording equipment: SONY TC-126 portable stereo cassette recorder with F-99S microphone

Playback: Nakamichi Dragon (Dolby not noted) > Panasonic 3700 or 3800 DAT

Capture: Panasonic 3800 > TC Electronics Konnect8(firewire interface) > Intel Mac OS X 10.4.11 (PEAK 6) > Xact > flac >
wav 16/48 > Soundforge 9: speed correction, downsampling to wav 16/44.1, tracking > flac TLH lvl7 w/SBA (1.07 GB)

taped by: The Grape
transferred by: musigny23
edited by: flambay

The Mothers Of Invention, February - September 1973:
FZ, Jean Luc Ponty, Tom Fowler, Ralph Humphrey, Ruth Underwood, Ian Underwood, George Duke, Bruce Fowler, Sal Marquez (late March - July), Kin Vassey (73/04/07-73/05/01).

Setlist:

01 Soundcheck & Band introductions [7:12]
02 RDNZL [5:05]
03 Willie The Pimp (incl. Dental Floss speech) [11:48]
04 Montana [6:52]
05 Dupree's Paradise pt.1 (improvisations) [7:08]
06 Dupree's Paradise pt.2 (theme & solos) [18:41] ░░░ tf/cut at 5:30
07 Camarillo preamble [1:44]
08 Camarillo Brillo [6:26]
09 Yellow Snow Suite [19:32]
10 Farther O'Blivion (incl. Join The March And Eat My Starch) [19:11] ░░░ tf/cut at 0:39
11 Cosmik preamble & tuning [0:54] ░░░ cuts in, no music missing
12 Cosmik Debris [7:55]
13 Dog Meat preamble & tuning [2:06]
14 Dog Meat [7:42]
15 Fifty-Fifty [10:17]
16 encore break [1:57] ░░░ cuts in, no music missing
17 Big Swifty (incl. Sleep Dirt) [14:30]
18 Eat That Question [10:41]
19 encore break#2 [1:02] ░░░ cuts in, no music missing
20 Zomby Woof [5:33]
21 Mr.Green Genes Medley (incl. King Kong, Chunga's Revenge) [20:41]

Total time 187.06 min

musigny23 notes with this transfer:
IMO while not a dramatic upgrade (to previous seeds), the "purity"
of that is desirable, wiping away all past layers of fiddling this has seen.

The goal is simply MC > DAT > zappateer flacs. The shortest cleanest lineage possible with a fresh new mastering that creates a definitive version lacking only fills (unless an alternate source surfaces).
Eliminating several layers of mastering-remastering-cdr clones etc. Overall not a significant upgrade but worthwhile in principle. The same is true of other Grape tapes actually.

1973 05 09 Passaic NJ 188.44 Aud (The Grape-sc erroneous)
1973 05 09 Capitol Theatre Passaic NJ 188.58 AUD Grape MC (boguspomp) RESEED from DIME
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ 187.41 aud (grape-av)

These three versions all come originally from this DAT, Both my cdrs and Grner1s, and all versions thereafter.
So we can now create a fresh master from the raw source with improved software and skills and retire those versions and have just one final version.


flambay note:
In case of particular interest we can also post the raw and untouched "pre-speed corrected" files (16/48) in the Shoebox.

Credits:
Big thanks to The Grape for taping this show
and to musigny23 for making a fresh rip of the original tapes
and for passing along his DAT sourced files.
Thanks to Drew51 for his server space.

Enjoy !!

-- musigny23 & flambay

www.zappateers.com/bb - Zappadan 2009

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previous FZ Shows seeds (CD-R sourced, same Master tape origin):
Grape-DIME-boguspomp: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3867
Grape-lestattkatt-av: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4319

ffp:
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 01 Tuning~Band Introductions.flac:71673a77095ff6b639d9bf9090460f2c
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 02 RDNZL.flac:20f1bf1d65ea694c74f0a8da5f4610cb
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 03 Willie The Pimp.flac:e6916fcda302b183ab4eaf48b4790473
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 04 Montana.flac:667bae4f20c14d169a786f1a6cb4c9c7
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 05 Dupree's Paradise Pt.1.flac:1e9580a473fd18a0dd7fc5ed64bc0fec
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 06 Dupree's Paradise Pt.2.flac:2ef1621024db2e25458c91bb030931b0
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 07 Camarillo preamble.flac:b712f7858cefbf4df0a257ea8807e209
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 08 Camarillo Brillo.flac:9c64bb4c5ea5c3a770488b08003a939b
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 09 Yellow Snow Suite.flac:54fc17bf1dd23800c7df9f91c938609c
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 10 Farther O'Blivion.flac:8faa553571b6d798a1d1f5cf4e29c3f3
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 11 Cosmik preamble~tuning.flac:e27a77209fd6d1cf743383da5de5f0f0
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 12 Cosmik Debris.flac:835d316b862c60be5e76f18393577151
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 13 Dog Meat preamble~tuning.flac:a9571a4cd569fa640e28cdb67b8edd3e
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 14 Dog Meat.flac:4da3e721f1db1e4ba4273c2346b99779
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 15 Fifty-Fifty.flac:28b8957777fc7a7e3a6b4463eadba112
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 16 encore break.flac:ba2d045e3f2443bc8f34922249beb677
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 17 Big Swifty.flac:996d487aa64c28c95589d7e8be1df661
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 18 Eat That Question.flac:5a5a57ebc45acad15008874c23434d7e
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 19 encore break#2.flac:5b417ebda261b639b2b12b7bae0b7a20
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 20 Zomby Woof.flac:1405a461b3b4dbbee25deca5eae82ebe
1973 05 09 Passaic NJ - 21 Mr.Green Genes Medley.flac:10737c9e4bfeb568eee5af6c801559b3
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Post 2009-12-07 12:19   [Quote] 
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Post 2009-12-07 12:22   [Quote] 
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Post 2009-12-07 12:50   [Quote] 
Easily a top 10 show. Definitely worth the new transfer. Thanks!
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Post 2009-12-07 13:15   [Quote] 
Bravo! One of the best. Thank you.
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Post 2009-12-07 13:28   [Quote] 
Gentlemen, May Santa shower you with many gifts . Thank You for your work in providing this show. My gift you, prost

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Great! A 1973 is always good for my mental health Smile

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Post 2009-12-07 18:14   [Quote] 
would still prefer 24/96

should be interesting to compare to

the version I got from grape

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Post 2009-12-07 18:16   [Quote] 
Quote:
musigny23 notes with this transfer:
IMO while not a dramatic upgrade (to previous seeds), the "purity"
of that is desirable, wiping away all past layers of fiddling this has seen


will you be doing all of grapes recordings ?
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Post 2009-12-07 18:20   [Quote] 
Quote:
will you be doing all of grapes recordings ?


Musigny23 has not been here in months, we have had this for about a year, sometimes it takes that long. I don't think we have anymore?
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Post 2009-12-07 18:29   [Quote] 
drew51 wrote:
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will you be doing all of grapes recordings ?


Musigny23 has not been here in months, we have had this for about a year, sometimes it takes that long. I don't think we have anymore?


Correct, I think this is the last show we've got from him back then, to work on. No more grape recordings from him at this time.

doctorzap wrote:
would still prefer 24/96

should be interesting to compare to

the version I got from grape

musigny's orig. files are 16/48, not 24/96.
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Post 2009-12-07 18:49   [Quote] 
Quote:
musigny's orig. files are 16/48, not 24/96.


I do have this raw file I can dump in shoebox, but it is only 48 to 44.1 change so i doubt it would really sound different.
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