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1975 04 19 (L) Passaic NJ 107.52 AUD MC (TheGrape-BengoFury-The Evil Prince) Samples
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Post 2009-11-15 19:08   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
1975 04 19 (L)
Capitol Theater,
Passaic, NJ


This Show is currently in Bad Sources because of filenames. No music missing around any of the three cuts present in this MC.


Lineage: Aud>master tape>CDR/?>EAC>wav (CEP, retracked)>flac (Frontend with SBE correction) ( MB)

Taped By: Grapeman (SONY TC126 with the SONY F-99S stereo unidirectional microphone)

Transferred By: Grapeman? Musigny?

Ripped & retracked by: BengoFury (from traded CDR's)

Samples:

01 Introduction (Start Of Tape) *** Cut @ 0:54
02 End Of Advance (Cut) *** Cut @ 0:30
03 End Of The Torture (Cut) *** Cut @ 0.30
04 Willie The Pimp (End Of Tape)

~ The Evil Prince ~

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Post 2009-11-15 19:57   [Quote] 
I have these from grapeman directly
there are more than one transfer of his collection

not sure which these are but

i will rip the whole grape catalogue I received from him on cdr

I have shared these but they may have been slightly tweeked

I may have sent yojimbo the cdr's I actually receivd from grape
so you may have them already

I also have pre cdr tape sources for most shows from the early 80's
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Post 2009-11-15 21:15   [Quote] 
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I may have sent yojimbo the cdr's I actually receivd from grape
so you may have them already

Yes you did, but no, I never shared this show here.
Our best option for most/all of the Grape shows is probably through musigny23, who has transferred the masters to DAT. As I've understood, the circulating master->CDR transfers are far from perfect, maybe not even 100% raw.
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Post 2009-11-15 21:24   [Quote] 
Yojimbo wrote:
Our best option for most/all of the Grape shows is probably through musigny23, who has transferred the masters to DAT. As I've understood, the circulating master->CDR transfers are far from perfect, maybe not even 100% raw.


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Post 2009-11-15 22:00   [Quote] 
Hank recorded these shows too, but tapes are only 90 minutes long, so missing material. At least can be used for fills, if not whole versions from Hank torrented also. I transferred the early show, but not the late show. I have it though.
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Post 2009-11-15 22:27   [Quote] 
Does anybody have a list of The Grape's tapes?
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Post 2009-11-15 23:30   [Quote] 
Grape was here recently seeding the Fillmore '71 tickets. Perhaps he can be contacted?
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Post 2009-11-15 23:56   [Quote] 
The Evil Prince wrote:
Does anybody have a list of The Grape's tapes?


http://thegrape.org/cdrs/xyz.htm

He lists these shows as "by me":

1972 11 07 Commack
1973 05 09 Passaic
1973 05 18 Uniondale
1973 07 09 Ruben & The Jets NYC
1973 11 04 E/L Brooklyn College
1973 11 06 L Hofstra
1973 11 22 E/L NYC
1973 12 01 E/L Stonybrook
1974 05 01 Binghamton
1974 10 31 E NYC
1974 11 08 E/L Passaic
1975 04 19 E/L Passaic
1975 10 25 Passaic
1976 12 28 NYC
1979 09 02 WPIX
1979 10 01 WNEW
1980 05 08 NYC
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Post 2009-11-16 04:49   [Quote] 
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As I've understood, the circulating master->CDR transfers are far from perfect, maybe not even 100% raw.


We worked with Musigny23 on one of these Grape masters. I forget which show it was? But I picked the musigny23 version because it had a much better lineage. Soundwise, i doubt I could tell them apart.
In other words, the CDR clones sounded just about the same to me.
The master tapes were reused soon after they were used to record these shows, so a 1st gen reel was all that was left. Plus they only recorded one channel on the reel. We could have had some killer shows if they would have saved the stereo cassette masters.
So really we are talking first gens here, no master clone can exist, the master was long ago lost. New transfers of any of these tapes is going to require a reel to reel if he even has the reels anymore? I'm not sure when he stopped doing this method? He may have some cassettes of later shows. Musigny23 seems not interested in working with us, so our choices are limited.
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Post 2009-11-16 05:48   [Quote] 
I previewed Hank's tape, and it is a very poor recording. I'm not sure you really would want to include any of it, as most of it sounds like an oversaturated humm, wow, it's bad. On the first sample it does have a fill, again though, wow, it's bad. D or D-
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Post 2009-11-16 10:05   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
The Evil Prince wrote:
Does anybody have a list of The Grape's tapes?


http://thegrape.org/cdrs/xyz.htm

He lists these shows as "by me":

1972 11 07 Commack
1973 05 09 Passaic
1973 05 18 Uniondale
1973 07 09 Ruben & The Jets NYC
1973 11 04 E/L Brooklyn College
1973 11 06 L Hofstra
1973 11 22 E/L NYC
1973 12 01 E/L Stonybrook
1974 05 01 Binghamton
1974 10 31 E NYC
1974 11 08 E/L Passaic
1975 04 19 E/L Passaic
1975 10 25 Passaic
1976 12 28 NYC
1979 09 02 WPIX
1979 10 01 WNEW
1980 05 08 NYC


seems right I have them all from grape himself

maybe later in the week
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Post 2009-11-16 13:53   [Quote] 
I think we should contact The Grape or musigny23 first...
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Post 2009-11-16 18:37   [Quote] 
The Evil Prince wrote:
I think we should contact The Grape or musigny23 first...


? hmm

alright whatever
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Post 2009-11-16 18:43   [Quote] 
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alright whatever


Those contacts will not bear fruit, keep them warm please.
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Post 2009-11-16 20:23   [Quote] 
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We worked with Musigny23 on one of these Grape masters. I forget which show it was? But I picked the musigny23 version because it had a much better lineage. Soundwise, i doubt I could tell them apart.
In other words, the CDR clones sounded just about the same to me.

Yeah, the differences between using the circulating MCs and getting the shows from Grape or musigny23 are probably small - in many cases just better-looking lineage. Although I suggested musigny above, I must say we have more important things to than upgrading MCs to "MCs with better lineage".
(Ah, and yes, I should say 1st gens rather than MCs)
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