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1988 05 01 Stockholm SE 146.22 SBD/AUD (TOGFIADO-Yojimbo-MrU-Fl-unicrayon) ZTLS#592 & #737
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Post 2009-09-14 14:04   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
Johanneshovs Isstadion
Stockholm, Sweden
1988 05 01


~~ SBD w.Aud fills, speed corrected ~~

Here's a speed corrected version of our current SBD/AUD seed of this show
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14080

Upon relistening to this SBD/AUD combo seed, we have realized that we had to revisit this version and
to apply some additional speed adjustments (fine tuning, between +20cts and -50cts, see details at bottom of post).

So here we go again. Enjoy !


according FZshows:
1988 05 01 - Johanneshovs Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden
140 min, SBD, A-
145 min, Aud, A-
Guest appearances by Mats Öberg on Keyboards (*), Morgan Ĺgren on drums (*), and Dweezil Zappa on guitar (**). The SBD cuts during the post I'm The Walrus Jam

Heavy Duty Judy, Packard Goose Medley, Any Kind Of Pain (q: T'Mershi Duween), Trouble Every Day (q: T'Mershi Duween), Penguin In Bondage, Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel, Cosmik Debris, Inca Roads (q: Fernando), Advance Romance, Bobby Brown, Keep It Greasey, The Torture Never Stops Medley (q: Fernando) [incl. Gorgo, TRF], Big Swifty* (incl. T'Mershi Duween), Joe's Garage, Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?, Peaches En Regalia, Stairway To Heaven, Whipping Post** (q: Handsome Cabin Boy), I Am The Walrus (incl. Jam**), Sofa


This copy: 146.22 min, SBD/AUD, A/A-

SBD Lineage: Master Reel->HD->flac->data CD->HD->Edited in Sound Studio->fLAC(xAct)->You

Procured by TOGFIADO
Picked up by StatusBaby
Transferred by MrUMRK
Speed counseling by Flambay
Editing by unicrayon

Yojimbo fills Lineage: Audience->(?)->CDR->EAC->SoundForge (patching in fills)->FLAC Frontend

Additional (speed correction) lineage:
flac > wav > Soundforge 9: speed correction, re-tracking > flac lvl7 w/SBA (846 MB)

Frank Zappa's Band, February - June 1988:

FZ, Ike Willis, Mike Keneally, Scott Thunes, Chad Wackerman, Ed Mann,
Bobby Martin, Bruce Fowler, Walt Fowler, Paul Carman, Albert Wing, Kurt McGettrick.
Guests:
Mats Oberg, Morgan Agren (14 Big Swifty)
Dweezil Zappa (19 Whipping Post & 21 Loops Jam)

Setlist:

Secret words Dragonmaster & Fernando

01 Tuning [1:15]
02 Heavy Duty Judy [7:36]
03 Packard Goose Medley [7:28]
04 Any Kind Of Pain (q: T'Mershi Duween) [6:01]
05 More Trouble Every Day (q: T'Mershi Duween) [5:42]
06 Penguin In Bondage [5:22]
07 Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel [7:50]
08 Cosmik Debris [4:44]
09 Inca Roads (q: Fernando) [9:20] °°° tf/AUD source patch {1:42-2:23}
10 Advance Romance [7:53]
11 Bobby Brown [2:35]
12 Keep It Greasey [3:23]
13 The Torture Never Stops Medley (q: Fernando) [incl. Gorgo, TRF] [19:45] °°° replaced damaged portion w.AUD source material {6:44-19:35}
14 Big Swifty w/ Mats & Morgan (q: Sleep Dirt, incl. T'Mershi Duween) [16:14] °°° tf/AUD source patch {7:02-8:00}
15 Joe's Garage [3:37]
16 Why Does It Hurt When I Pee? [3:27] °°° AUD source applause patch {2:47-2:54}
17 Peaches En Regalia [2:54]
18 Stairway To Heaven [9:59] °°° applause & Dweezil intro patched AUD source {9:03-9:48}
19 Whippin' Post w/ Dweezil (q: Handsome Cabin Boy) [8:27]
20 I Am The Walrus [3:38]
21 Loops Jam w/ Dweezil [5:49] °°° AUD source {5:27-end}
22 Sofa [3:10] °°° AUD source

Total time (patched & speed corrected) 146.22 min

Unpatched tracks (SBD source only)
in separate seed: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14296

Enjoy!
TOGFIADO, StatusBaby, MrURMK, flambay & unicrayon

www.zappateers.com - September 2009

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previous seeds:
unicrayon (SBD w.Aud patches): http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14080
MrUMRK (SBD unpatched): http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14296
Yojimbo (unknown gen Aud): http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3961

ffp:
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 01 Tuning.flac:89a6dd73b8439f211dd8139322559a57
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 02 Heavy Duty Judy.flac:3f113e556ca1615e394a76a4cc19b465
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 03 Packard Goose Medley.flac:2806c2b30d9b74096a5f8503d05bfae2
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 04 Any Kind Of Pain.flac:7c3b03e2da88f92f4ca719a8f0365ab9
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 05 Trouble Every Day.flac:63a7288635ccff0544264489e1079fd0
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 06 Penguin In Bondage.flac:102d21d5a8b687e52c9a820609c4f3d7
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 07 Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel.flac:c282de1d9d4a0b4ad0853aec3b53220f
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 08 Cosmik Debris.flac:c9f4110ea3f37bc12da1eaf4dfd89b0d
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 09 Inca Roads.flac:78077b0ad74ca18bda3f1c7ff3bae887
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 10 Advance Romance.flac:70ef254d9d85bc4827b1528e75359831
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 11 Bobby Brown.flac:a887d685e1d488f03595cdb7b5f942d3
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 12 Keep It Greasey.flac:082e598d6e497915ecadb242cdfaed10
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 13 The Torture Never Stops Medley.flac:ba707323bd125f11e3acac3e8dfda0b6
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 14 Big Swifty (incl. T'Mershi Duween).flac:67708817c04ea511a74c92ec69f1523e
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 15 Joe's Garage.flac:eca27017be1cdeab5e213e938c6b0984
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 16 Why Does It Hurt When I Pee.flac:5b1f90d58f5b0a9611f3b9ffcfca7033
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 17 Peaches En Regalia.flac:7aeae54d3a43d8469c743150c5bb2056
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 18 Stairway To Heaven.flac:ecbec1f00a6c954f9c7929f0c14c4d94
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 19 Whippin' Post.flac:6920562568534f143f94ba1a4ac23b99
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 20 I Am The Walrus.flac:4c484c3d01c17ba2c53ea8aa6779fbfb
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 21 Loops Jam.flac:99d26b62164b0f9215ed26c75d14c4a9
1988 05 01 Stockholm SE - 22 Sofa.flac:719c179a3adde3cc7347f80e5b5b7192

speed correction per track (summary):
01-02-03: +20cts
04 > 09: +10cts
10 > 12: +05cts
13 Torture: OK
14 Big Swifty: OK/-30cts after tf
15-16: -30cts
17-18: -40cts
18 (AUD patch): -50cts
19 > 22: +10cts
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Post 2009-09-14 14:10   [Quote] 
Awesome show, the band is on fire this night - the recording deserves the best treatment, thanks once again to all involved! thumbsup
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Post 2009-09-14 14:16   [Quote] 
I just love definitive versions Smile

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Post 2009-09-14 14:30   [Quote] 
Thank you for the upgrade.
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Post 2009-09-14 14:35   [Quote] 
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Post 2009-09-14 14:44   [Quote] 
Still can't believe this only rates A-. Still, who cares- It just got a little bit better. Thank you gentlemen.

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Post 2009-09-14 14:46   [Quote] 
Thanks!
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Post 2009-09-14 14:49   [Quote] 
Nice job, thanks for all the hard work!

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Post 2009-09-14 15:12   [Quote] 
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Post 2009-09-14 15:16   [Quote] 
Thanks for the fix. I would like to say we really need to keep complete raw files. I remember analog414 saying he thought he heard a difference when corrections were made. i thought he was nuts. But it turns out rounding errors occur with every edit. It would be much better to have the raw file and try again. Even better to do all work in 24 bit. 24 bit and a high sample rate would put these rounding errors in a range unheard. This may still occur with 16 bit 44.1 sample rate too. So it might not be needed. But we know for sure at 24/96 errors will never reach an audible range.
Recently Unicrayon looked at the lineage of the bbc 68 video. Well same thing here. Every edit is like a resample.
Since I spent huge bucks to buy a nice deck, a very good hardware set up for transfer. A great gaming class computer to ensure clean transfers, I'm keeping the raw transfers.
I'm not sure anything here is causing errors? Probably not, just trying to keep lineage clean as possible.
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Post 2009-09-14 15:43   [Quote] 
I love this show! Thanks

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Post 2009-09-14 15:55   [Quote] 
I agree this show warrents special treatment, thanks TOGFIADO, Yojimbo, Mr. UMRK, flambay and uni. You folks are the best. Much appreciated.
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Post 2009-09-14 16:56   [Quote] 
Quote:
I just love definitive versions

Oh yes! Right on, man!
Thanks for all the effort on this one folks!
You da best!!!
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Post 2009-09-14 17:01   [Quote] 
drew51 wrote:
Thanks for the fix. I would like to say we really need to keep complete raw files. I remember analog414 saying he thought he heard a difference when corrections were made. i thought he was nuts. But it turns out rounding errors occur with every edit. It would be much better to have the raw file and try again. Even better to do all work in 24 bit. 24 bit and a high sample rate would put these rounding errors in a range unheard. This may still occur with 16 bit 44.1 sample rate too. So it might not be needed. But we know for sure at 24/96 errors will never reach an audible range.
Recently Unicrayon looked at the lineage of the bbc 68 video. Well same thing here. Every edit is like a resample.
Since I spent huge bucks to buy a nice deck, a very good hardware set up for transfer. A great gaming class computer to ensure clean transfers, I'm keeping the raw transfers.
I'm not sure anything here is causing errors? Probably not, just trying to keep lineage clean as possible.

Drew's observation is making a lot of sense, especially for a high quality recording like the one we're having here,
and we should try indeed making all improvement work based on the raw original files.

When looking at the SA/FA of this recording however, I am noticing that this is looking somewhat NRed (or lightly tweaked otherwise) to begin with,
and if we would want to have the raw source speed corrected in one go, we might as well ask the original contributor (TOGFIADO) one day to provide us with a new and raw transfer,
and we can try and get another upgraded version prepared from there.

For now I believe we can be quite satisfied with this version.

SA/FA comparison between this version and the previous upload (by unicrayon) shows very little difference, and only in the highest frequency range.
Remember, anything way under -100 dB can be considered virtually irrelevant for our ears.

Here in Packard Goose for instance (first 30 secs) the frequency response (both in uni's and in this seed) is already dropping below the -100 dB mark at about 17 kHz,
and everything within that range looks fairly identical, whether speed corrected in one step or in two consecutive steps:
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Post 2009-09-14 17:08   [Quote] 
A bit more difference is indeed visible when comparing the first 30 secs of a portion which had to be corrected -40cts, i.e. track 17 Peaches En Regalia
(blue line - previous unicrayon seed; dark line - this seed):
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