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1976 10 30 New York NY 95'08'' AUD (jaypfunk)_SAMPLES  
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franklinger
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Post 2007-12-12 00:56   [Quote] 
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during retracking & renaming of this show: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2095
which is 94'13'' and approaching "You Didn't Try To Call Me" i wondered about the length of this song.
so i checked the mp3 version i have (a walk tape rip - 95'29'').
and in fact here the song is 57 seconds longer.
in both cases there is that "fade out ~ fade in" during the song,
but the fade out of jaypfunk's version occurs @ 3'20''
and the walk version fades out @ 4'17''.
both have the same fade in + rest of the song.

according to the tape flips and changes it must have been recorded on two C60 tapes.
tapeflip of tape 2 is audible between 'The Purple Lagoon' outro & preamble to 'Stranded In The Jungle'.

the time between the beginning of the show and the "fade out ~ fade in" during
"You Didn't Try To Call Me" is 45'09'' (walk version).
so the suspicion raise that the tapes were transferred to a C90 tape.

Question 1:
but why is it longer than 90 minutes then??? (speed correction???, but 5 minutes???)

the cut out after the last song happens a little later at the walk version:
it reveals another stop and record of the (original) tape and 22ms of the next? song...
my guess: "Muffin Man".

Question 2:
what happened to that song???

supposed folder: 1976 10 30 New York NY 95'08'' AUD (jaypfunk)
supposed tracking / naming / timing*:

761030-New York - 01 'The Purple Lagoon' intro.flac 2:27
761030-New York - 02 Stinkfoot.flac 5:27
761030-New York - 03 The Poodle Lecture.flac 3:06
761030-New York - 04 Dirty Love.flac 3:16
761030-New York - 05 Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station.flac 2:34
761030-New York - 06 Tryin' To Grow A Chin.flac 3:57
761030-New York - 07 The Torture Never Stops.flac 11:59 (tapeflip @ 9'09'')
761030-New York - 08 City Of Tiny Lites.flac 7:44
761030-New York - 09 You Didn't Try To Call Me.flac 6:19 (fade out~fade in @ 4'17'' - walk version)
761030-New York - 10 Manx Need Women.flac 1:46
761030-New York - 11 Titties 'n Beer.flac 6:45
761030-New York - 12 Black Napkins.flac 16:24 (tape change @ 4'31'')
761030-New York - 13 Advance Romance.flac 14:43
761030-New York - 14 'The Purple Lagoon' outro~preamble to 'Stranded In The Jungle'.flac 1:14 (tapeflip between 'outro' & 'preamble' @ 29sec)
761030-New York - 15 Stranded In The Jungle.flac 2:53
761030-New York - 16 What Kind Of Girl Do You Think We Are.flac 4:34 (cuts out @ 4'32'' - no music missing)

* probably speed correction needed?

i took the samples from my personal retracked version.
no sound editing (except volume level of left channel in "City Of Tiny Lites" + 3.5 dB - not in samples)

sorry for posting mp3-samples
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Post 2007-12-12 16:08   [Quote] 
hard to check w/o any seeder. Oh well...
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Post 2008-01-24 19:36   [Quote] 
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* probably speed correction needed?
Yes, all of this recording is running a bit slow, between 10 and 40cts.

Suggested speed correction per sample:
s01-02-03: +20cts
s04a,b You Didn't Try To Call Me: +20cts/+40cts after tape flip (both jpf and walk versions)
s05 Black Napkins: +30cts/+40cts after fade
s06 Purple Outro: +10cts
s07-s08a-s08b: +10cts

Both versions (jpf and walk) sounding like they are copies (different dub lines) from the same master. It would be nice to find a lossless version of that mp3 sourced walk version, then we could have that extra material included/patched with the jaypfunk version, before getting it re-seeded here.

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the cut out after the last song happens a little later at the walk version:
it reveals another stop and record of the (original) tape and 22ms of the next? song...
my guess: "Muffin Man".

Question 2:
what happened to that song???
Hard to tell imho if these 22ms of noise at the end of walk's sample s08 are really the beginning of Muffin Man.
FZshows is listing 3 extra songs, missing in jaypfunk's version: Dinah-Moe Humm, Camarillo Brillo, Muffin Man

Anyone else with a different/complete version of this show, worth comparing to this one ?
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Post 2008-01-24 19:51   [Quote] 
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Anyone else with a different/complete version of this show, worth comparing to this one ?

I have a longer version (~114 min, if my list is to be believed), which I think hasn't circulated much. It has some speed problems, but if I remember correctly, it isn't wobbly, but going gradually faster towards the end of the show, ending up ridiculously fast.
I also have a 2nd gen tape of this shorter version.
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Post 2008-01-27 00:10   [Quote] 
so, after re-editing with flambay's speed advice (whom i hereby thank), the following ended on my hd:

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01 - 'The Purple Lagoon' intro 2:24
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.71db; right +2.33db)

02 - Stinkfoot 5:21
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.43db; right +2.70db)

03 - The Poodle Lecture 3:02
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.80db; right +2.50db)

04 - Dirty Love 3:13
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.80db; right +2.95db)

05 - Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station 2:31
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.91db; right +2.81db)

06 - Tryin' To Grow A Chin 3:52
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.79db; right +2.84db)

07 - The Torture Never Stops [tf @ 9:09] 11:44
(sc: +20cts)
(level: before tf: left +1.80db; right +2.50db; after tf: left +0.82db; right +2.92db)

08 - City Of Tiny Lites 7:35
(sc: +20cts)
(level: left +1.51db; right +1.17db)

09 - You Didn't Try To Call Me (cut~fade in @ 3:16) 5:13
(sc: before tf: +20cts; sc after tf +40cts)
(level: before tf: left +1.93db; right +1.67db; after tf: left +1.07db; right +1.32db)

10 - Manx Need Women 1:38
(sc: +30.666cts)
(level: left +1.31db; right +1.31db)

11 - Titties 'n Beer 6:31
(sc: +30.333cts)
(level: left +1.34db; right +1.34db)

12 - Black Napkins (tf @ 4'31'') 15:47
(sc: before tf: +30cts; sc after tf +40cts)
(level: before tf: left +1.35db; right +1.35db; after tf: left +1.38db; right +1.64db)

13 - Advance Romance 14:08
(sc: +40cts)
(level: left +0.63db; right +0.99db)

14 - 'The Purple Lagoon' outro~preamble to 'Stranded In The Jungle' 1:13
(sc: +10cts)
(level: before tf: left +1.49db; right +1.77db; after tf: left +2.58db; right +1.71db)

15 - Stranded In The Jungle 2:51
(sc: +10cts)
(level: left +1.90db; right +0.93db)

16 - What Kind Of Girl Do You Think We Are (cuts out @ 4'32'') 4:32
(sc: +10cts)
(level: left +0.54db; right +1.16db)
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that sums up to a total playing time of 91:35.

now we have to wait for a friendly surprise by Yojimbo. Smile
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