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1978 09 17 (E) Atlanta GA 88.24 1st gen AUD (jon-fin~fl)
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Post 2005-12-14 01:36   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
September 17th, 1978 the Fox Theater, Atlanta, GA.
Early Show, 1st gen AUD, 88.24 minutes (after speed correction)


acc. JN list:
17-Sep 1978, Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA
Early show: 89 min, Aud, B
The Deathless Horsie, Dancin' Fool, Easy Meat, Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me?, Keep It Greasey, Village Of The Sun, The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing, City Of Tiny Lights, Pound For A Brown, Bobby Brown, Conehead, I Have Been In You, Flakes, Magic Fingers, Yellow Snow Suite

Part 1 of jon-fin's seed < http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3271 >
speed corrected between +25 and +50cts.

Disc 1: (58:27)
01) The Deathless Horsie (fades in) 5:05
02) Dancin' Fool 3:38
03) Easy Meat 4:13
04) Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me? 4:28
05) Keep It Greasy 3:50
06) Village Of The Sun 5:33
07) The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing 3:37
08) City Of Tiny Lights 7:56
09) Pound For A Brown (tape flip in Keys solo) 7:27
10) Bobby Brown 3:07
11) Conehead 9:08
12-AS END) intro to I Have Been In You (fade out) 0:25

Disc 2: (30:43)
11-AS BEGIN) end of Conehead (fade in) 0:21
12) I Have Been In You 7:55
13) Flakes 5:21
14) Magic Fingers (mic bump at the very beginning) 2:37
15) Yellow Snow Suite (cuts immediately after FZ thanks the audience) 14:29

also included (as in jf's seed): 14-ORIG Magic Fingers w/gaps 2:37

jon-fin lineage:
2nd Gen
Taper's Master > Cass1 > CDR > retracked > CDR > FLAC

flambay lineage:
orig.jf seed flac >> wav >> Soundforge 5 (speed correction, retracking) >> flac (FFE lvl8 w/SBA)

ffp:
780917e 01 Intro.flac:a94816ff0ab092e716340aca890e908b
780917e 02 Dancin' Fool.flac:599b6dc47c05f198ce02ae374b821b06
780917e 03 Easy Meat.flac:2071d4c3d99560521651d409db454b69
780917e 04 Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me.flac:f80a2cceec528e4efc811439b250ecc6
780917e 05 Keep It Greasey.flac:2d105db8bec4ecd96662f3d36ab7f7f7
780917e 06 Village Of The Sun.flac:060f89503604ad30eb3890f908991cc8
780917e 07 The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.flac:2ff16c097da1ec24fb0bc7b82c32fafb
780917e 08 City Of Tiny Lites.flac:660c277701b2ec3b68418ce648e2bf1d
780917e 09 Pound For A Brown.flac:9fe3cc4f5967621f694fc7ebace8e039
780917e 10 Bobby Brown.flac:43d6a2ff59638ddbe72ea851a8f22420
780917e 11 Conehead.flac:c07a9028c7d1c405bb1ab0e786fe9cc3
780917e 12-AS END disc1.flac:bfdabd3f445b43022afca20e6bdc2bec
780917e 11-AS BEGINNING disc2.flac:7d57ef96e5ff3d9a07a21097cdd199e2
780917e 12 I Have Been In You.flac:9349dae700d28613e700b96627ac6669
780917e 13 Flakes.flac:140a6f246d9993647544089e12e3ccde
780917e 14 Magic Fingers.flac:b773c0223b4358ccfc3873674e050937
780917e 14 Magic Fingers-ORIG.flac:66aca0f74ca25a70b7cd8d0f9036b453
780917e 15 Yellow Snow Suite.flac:7a9fb4d0448ba4fc1743505708d8ee26


Thanks to jon-fin for the orig. seed. Terrific show and A-/B+ sound quality (subjective) !!

Enjoy !

-- flambay


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Post 2005-12-14 02:01   [Quote] 
Thanks Flambay and jon-fin (agin) Smile

Thanks again to all of you for your generosity and enthusiasm. I am in the process of preparing some materials for upload and your (collective) thoughts.

All the best to all of you!
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Post 2005-12-14 04:07   [Quote] 
I can not agree that this show had such fluctuations, that you would apply different kind of speed corrections.
I did a speedcorrection myself and I was surprised, that your version's songs are sometimes longer and sometimes shorter than mine ?

I agree, that once in a while after the tapeflip the speed chances; but within 1 tapeside 1 song faster and the next slower and then the next faster again ? Sorry, but I don't think so.

I don't know what you guys think, especially as flambay usually is pretty close to the precise speed. but what I mentioned above just doesn't seem to be logical and does not seem to be applicable in the way he did it. ( at least in this case)

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Post 2005-12-14 09:12   [Quote] 
You're right, boguspomp, speed is pretty consistant each side of the tapeflip.

Before the tapeflip I corrected +45 (01-04) and +50 (05-09);
after the tapeflip: +30 (09-13) and +25 (14-15).
Also some graphic fine tuning around the tape flip ...

So should I maybe better have written "speed corrected between +25 and +50cts." ??

Always glad to hear different opinions on the right sc ratio to apply, let me hear yours ...

For the late show for instance, most tracks in jon-fin's seed are running at correct speed imo.
Only track ii_01 starts a bit slow (first part of Twenty-One, played in C, especially)
Also 07-08 and 15-16-17 needed to sound a bit brighter, so I gave them 10cts.up

Some forumers seem to have had trouble downloading the original, so I will re-seed the late show later on with these few corrections ...
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Post 2005-12-14 11:03   [Quote] 
Thanx, Flambay! 8)
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Post 2005-12-14 13:55   [Quote] 
Thanks, Flambay.

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Post 2005-12-15 00:09   [Quote] 
This is so cool--

I mean me, NOT DOING the work!

(heh heh.)

I know that in many cases in the "old-pre-digital-days", a band would be dragging a lot of analog equipment around and that would include, say, a moog synthesizer. Often the climate, humidity, etc., would cause a piece of equipment like that to have to be tuned "good enough for rock & roll" and then everyone would tune to that and the singer would get to find out if they could hack it. This was often the case for Rick Wakeman's gear, and I used to have a nice interview where he talked about that and laughed about the band all playing in a different key all night.

For this reason (and the crappy software glitch reason) I've always shyed away from changing speeds in sources when passing them on. But I had a good back & forth with flambay while the stuff was accessable and I think he's spot on with this. We may never know if they were in tune that night (that is, if a D was a D) but I think now the tape is consistent all the way through.

Enjoy the ride!

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Post 2005-12-15 03:30   [Quote] 
Thanks Flambay
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Post 2005-12-15 10:35   [Quote] 
boguspomp writes: [/quote] "I did a speed correction myself and I was surprised, that your version's songs are sometimes longer and sometimes shorter than mine?"
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Hi Bogus,
How do you do a 'speed correction', etc, test? Confused I've got Cool Edit Pro, Adobe Audacity, Soundforge, WaveLab, EAC, Audacity - an 'idiot's guide' Idea to anyone of them would do!! Wink

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Post 2005-12-15 16:18   [Quote] 
jon-fin wrote:
This is so cool--

I mean me, NOT DOING the work!

(heh heh.)

I know that in many cases in the "old-pre-digital-days", a band would be dragging a lot of analog equipment around and that would include, say, a moog synthesizer. Often the climate, humidity, etc., would cause a piece of equipment like that to have to be tuned "good enough for rock & roll" and then everyone would tune to that and the singer would get to find out if they could hack it. This was often the case for Rick Wakeman's gear, and I used to have a nice interview where he talked about that and laughed about the band all playing in a different key all night.

For this reason (and the crappy software glitch reason) I've always shyed away from changing speeds in sources when passing them on. But I had a good back & forth with flambay while the stuff was accessable and I think he's spot on with this. We may never know if they were in tune that night (that is, if a D was a D) but I think now the tape is consistent all the way through.

Enjoy the ride!

j


In the case of Zappa he mentioned in an interview that he always tuned to the vibes, as they never went out. So, presumably his band was usually in tune (assuming vibes were part of the tour). Thank goodness for FZ's perfectionism, right?

Anyway, thanks again for your contributions, j-f. Being a good ol' boy myself, I really enjoy the Atlanta gigs. Smile
I may have mentioned (Wink), but I'm really, really, really looking forward to the 1st gen Atlanta 77. That show is great (my fav in Sep) and the Belew tribute to Hendrix is fucking awesome!
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Post 2005-12-15 20:47   [Quote] 
Thanks for the job Flambay. Very much appreciated.

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Post 2005-12-27 00:29   [Quote] 
Thanks again flambay tunes
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Post 2006-01-04 05:57   [Quote] 
Thanks jon-fin and flambay for this collective effort. Fantastic!

Kind regards,
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Post 2006-11-22 19:42   [Quote] 
thanks a lot Flambay and jon-fin!

another tasty 78 show rockon

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Post 2007-07-22 20:42   [Quote] 
This was my 2nd to last FZ show. Beautiful theater, good sound and the band Was in tune.
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