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Rollo (RSD 2017 Single vs. Little Dots) - The track "Rollo" is a complete different edit ...
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Vaultmeister
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Post 2017-04-28 03:53   [Quote] 
Pittylabelle wrote:
Vaultmeister wrote:
The source for both versions are the same. Only the count-off in the beginning of the RSD single is the difference.
Joe


Thank you Joe for the clarification.

In addition to this, can you confirm that on "Little Dots" anything from 3:04 onwards
is "from unknown venue and date"?

This part is different on the RSD single.


I apologize, I'm wrong. We DID use an alternate edit for the Rollo 10"
Thank you for pointing it out- hope you enjoy the different versions!
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Post 2017-04-28 07:27   [Quote] 
Vaultmeister wrote:
Pittylabelle wrote:
Vaultmeister wrote:
The source for both versions are the same. Only the count-off in the beginning of the RSD single is the difference.
Joe


Thank you Joe for the clarification.

In addition to this, can you confirm that on "Little Dots" anything from 3:04 onwards
is "from unknown venue and date"?

This part is different on the RSD single.


I apologize, I'm wrong. We DID use an alternate edit for the Rollo 10"
Thank you for pointing it out- hope you enjoy the different versions!


I absolutely love these different versions - and of course I'm glad to have it. Wink

BTW, more of these "unexpected" releases next time, please! Very Happy
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chris hughes
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Post 2017-07-14 21:29   [Quote] 
I'm not sure if everyone's lost interest in this thread/topic.
However, I was interested in all the inconclusive research.

So...

Part [1]

I copied my RSD Rollo to WAV (Rollo-RSD-WAV)
I then downloaded
1972 12 02 (E) Kansas City MO - 02 Rollo.flac from 1972 12 02 (E) Kansas City MO 71.27 AUD 1st (robsam-doctorzap-flambay) ZTLS#484 pt1
and converted it to WAV (Rollo-ZTLS#484-WAV)

I then placed two files into 2 stereo tracks in Logic Pro x just to have a look and a listen.
Considering (Rollo-ZTLS#484-WAV) was recorded on a cassette recorder and has been copied and undergone (according to the notes, 'speed correction')
and my (Rollo-RSD-WAV) was copied to computer from my turntable, the two files were surprisingly close in SPEED.
With minimal amount of adjustment, they line up perfectly and I can confirm they are recordings of the same performance throughout.

Part [2]

I then created a WAV of Rollo from Little Dots (Rollo-LD-WAV)
I then repeated the above process with (Rollo-RSD-WAV) and (Rollo-LD-WAV)
The two files are the same until 3.04.
Rollo-LD-WAV then goes off into an unknown performance.

Assuming The venue credit for Rollo on the Little Dots sleeve is correct
The venue credit for Rollo on the RSD sleeve can't be correct.

What say Joe?

cmh
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Post 2017-07-14 21:37   [Quote] 
chris hughes wrote:

Assuming The venue credit for Rollo on the Little Dots sleeve is correct
The venue credit for Rollo on the RSD sleeve can't be correct.

What say Joe?



See Vaultmeister's post from April 28 - he admitted making a mistake saying that they were the same earlier.
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chris hughes
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Post 2017-07-15 11:41   [Quote] 
Thanks Pat,

Yes it was never my intention to lay blame or point the finger at Joe.
I just wanted to point out that RSD Rollo was essentially an unedited single performance from Kansas City and to see if Joe or anybody else agreed with my findings.
What's more important is that Rollo and Portland Improvisation are both great and fantastic additions to the collection.

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Post 2017-07-15 14:20   [Quote] 
chris hughes wrote:
I just wanted to point out that RSD Rollo was essentially an unedited single performance from Kansas City and to see if Joe or anybody else agreed with my findings.


But didn't we pointed this already out in this thread, on page 1 in post 3 and 7. hmm
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Post 2017-07-15 18:42   [Quote] 
[Any further informations or possible corrections around these findings are more than welcome.[/quote]

pity !
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