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Post 2015-10-21 08:25   [Quote] 
AFAIK FZ occasionally constructed songs from guitar solos he'd previously played, I believe ''Big Swifty'' was one and I think I remember being told back in the day that ''Debra Kadabra'' was another one..... Does anyone know of any others? or, failing that, has anyone got any ideas of any songs that could have been constructed in this way?
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Post 2015-10-21 09:02   [Quote] 
Sinister Footwear III on You Are What You Is. Solo is from Halloween 1978 (27.10.?).

Waka/Jawaka? (thinking about it now, I'm not sure about Big Swifty - refers to the unison stuff near the end?)

One on Studio Tan. Maybe that Revised Music thing (with Bruce Fowler doubling the guitar).

I never checked, and technically a little different, but While You Were Art on Jazz from Hell is based on While You Were Out from SUAPYG?

Derek Bailey did that too, and of course was better at it. Very Happy

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Post 2015-10-21 10:03   [Quote] 
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I'm not sure about Big Swifty - refers to the unison stuff near the end?)

I always presumed it was more the opening riff (and following melody).... I read about BS on here I think , or maybe the Patio, I'll see if I can find it again.

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Post 2015-10-21 11:57   [Quote] 
cookie_manager wrote:
Sinister Footwear III on You Are What You Is. Solo is from Halloween 1978 (27.10.?).

Waka/Jawaka? (thinking about it now, I'm not sure about Big Swifty - refers to the unison stuff near the end?)

One on Studio Tan. Maybe that Revised Music thing (with Bruce Fowler doubling the guitar).

I never checked, and technically a little different, but While You Were Art on Jazz from Hell is based on While You Were Out from SUAPYG?

Yes, Big Swifty is just the coda, basically a recap of the entire theme freely variated by FZ on the spot. Same with Waka/Jawaka, it's just the bit at the end of the guitar solo with trumpets overdubbed by Sal Marquez. Dunno about Debra Kadabra, can't remember anything about that song that would strike me as particularly guitaristic.

Other examples that come to mind are Outside Now Again, the 2nd movement from Sad Jane, and the interlude from Strictly Genteel.

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Post 2015-10-21 19:35   [Quote] 
The beginning of Mo 'n Herb's Vacation comes from the Cruising for Burgers solo that was released of the ZINY CD.
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Post 2015-10-21 20:29   [Quote] 
chrisfromparis wrote:
The beginning of Mo 'n Herb's Vacation comes from the Cruising for Burgers solo that was released of the ZINY CD.

Thanks cfp! I had no idea about that. Great info!

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...Other examples that come to mind are Outside Now Again, the 2nd movement from Sad Jane, and the interlude from Strictly Genteel.

Thanks also for your input ya. Another quick question if I may. How do I know which bit the interlude is in Strictly Genteel?

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Post 2015-10-21 21:23   [Quote] 
The You Are What You Is theme has surfaced for the first time
in some of FZ's Yo' Mama solos in 1978,
check 1978 02 15 Berlin DE for instance.

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Post 2015-10-21 21:38   [Quote] 
He also played part of the melody of "The Grand Wazoo" (aka "Think It Over") in some Pound solos from fall 71.
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Post 2015-10-21 22:45   [Quote] 
chrisfromparis wrote:
The beginning of Mo 'n Herb's Vacation comes from the Cruising for Burgers solo that was released of the ZINY CD.

That is debatable. It's not clear whether that line was improvised live and then transcribed for the "Mo 'n Herb's" intro, or if it was composed first and then quoted during that solo (and during several other solos from the same period). There are far more instances of the latter scenario than of the former in FZ's work.

father-0blivion wrote:
How do I know which bit the interlude is in Strictly Genteel?

Well, it's the entire section that occurs in the middle of the third verse (between "honey, how do it feel?" and "lord have mercy on the hippies and faggots..."), in all versions except the original 200 Motels version (because FZ edited it out). Listen to this entire section and compare to the beginning of the "Holiday in Berlin" solo on BWS - both melody and accompaniment. (By the way, the lick that begins this solo is also the starting point for "Aybe Sea", and recurs, somewhat modified, after the guitar solo in "Inca Roads".)

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Post 2015-10-21 22:48   [Quote] 
chrisfromparis wrote:
The beginning of Mo 'n Herb's Vacation comes from the Cruising for Burgers solo that was released of the ZINY CD.

Well, FZ did say that. But Patrick O'Hearn quoted the same line at the end of Purple Lagoon three nights before FZ played that Cruising For Burgers solo.

So FZ was quoting his own composed line, not improvising it from scratch.
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