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1977 10 31 Palladium NYC 185.17 AUD MC (J.S.-doctorzap-Snopes-Drew51-flambay) - Source #1 ZTLS#620
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Post 2014-04-06 09:34   [Quote] 
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Post 2014-04-06 10:03   [Quote] 
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Post 2014-04-08 17:52   [Quote] 
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06 City Of Tiny Lights [parts on KBFH, parts on BSTM] [8:20] incl. Regyptian Strut over PA {0:00-0:40}


A few notes re. City Of Tiny Lites:

The entire KBFH version (FZ solo edited out) is from this 1977 10 31 show.

The BSTM version is a composite from 1977 10 30 and 31:
"Tiny is as tiny do ..." and first 46 secs from FZ solo are from 1977 10 31.
Rest of song (first part of song, rest of FZ solo, entire post-FZ solo part of song) is from 1977 10 30.

Edit (see correction note):
The BSTM version is a composite from 1977 10 30 and 31:
The first 46 secs of the FZ solo are from 1977 10 31.
Rest of song (first part of song, rest of FZ solo, entire post-FZ solo part of song) is from 1977 10 30.

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Post 2014-04-12 14:35   [Quote] 
flambay wrote:
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06 City Of Tiny Lights [parts on KBFH, parts on BSTM] [8:20] incl. Regyptian Strut over PA {0:00-0:40}


A few notes re. City Of Tiny Lites:

The entire KBFH version (FZ solo edited out) is from this 1977 10 31 show.

The BSTM version is a composite from 1977 10 30 and 31:
"Tiny is as tiny do ..." and first 46 secs from FZ solo are from 1977 10 31.
Rest of song (first part of song, rest of FZ solo, entire post-FZ solo part of song) is from 1977 10 30.


Thanks. Seemed like there was an edit in that solo in the film but I wasn't sure if it was two different shows.

It certainly was a (bad) surprise the first time I heard that KBFH boot and City Of Tiny Lights skipped the solo.
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Post 2014-04-13 01:20   [Quote] 
If the edit in the film is at "tiny is as tiny do," this is interesting since the film has a continuous shot of FZ starting at "from your downers and your wine" until the solo. I didn't see any obvious signs of the visuals being out of synch with the audio at this point.

During the solo the film stays in 10 31 a few seconds after the audible splice to 10 30 in the soundtrack, with a shot of Tommy Mars lighting a cigarette.
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Post 2014-04-13 09:38   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
If the edit in the film is at "tiny is as tiny do," this is interesting since the film has a continuous shot of FZ starting at "from your downers and your wine" until the solo. I didn't see any obvious signs of the visuals being out of synch with the audio at this point.

During the solo the film stays in 10 31 a few seconds after the audible splice to 10 30 in the soundtrack, with a shot of Tommy Mars lighting a cigarette.

I checked again the "tiny is as tiny do," sections in 10 30 and 10 31.

I have to confirm that indeed the entire "tiny is as tiny do" line is from 10 30 (not 10 31):
There is a difference in the last "tiny is as tiny do" line between 10 30 and 10 31,
i.e. Adrian's voice in "tiny is" sounds a bit too flat in 10 31 (and KBFH),
as opposed to 10 30 (and BSTM) where his and Frank's voices are better "in tune".

Pat's observation about the continuous film shot of FZ in that part of song makes it definitely more plausible
that all of the first part of song (until the start of the FZ solo) has to be from the same show, i.e. 10 30.

So I have to rectify my initial note about the BSTM version as follows:
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The BSTM version is a composite from 1977 10 30 and 31:
The first 46 secs of the FZ solo are from 1977 10 31.
Rest of song (first part of song, rest of FZ solo, entire post-FZ solo part of song) is from 1977 10 30.

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Post 2014-04-13 10:37   [Quote] 
pbuzby wrote:
If the edit in the film is at "tiny is as tiny do," this is interesting since the film has a continuous shot of FZ starting at "from your downers and your wine" until the solo. I didn't see any obvious signs of the visuals being out of synch with the audio at this point.

During the solo the film stays in 10 31 a few seconds after the audible splice to 10 30 in the soundtrack, with a shot of Tommy Mars lighting a cigarette.

This is indeed interesting.... do you think the band were asked to wear the same clothes on both nights?
Frank has a pink T-shrt which he later removes, Tommy Mars seems to have some kind of yellow dungarees on (well it was the 70's...) which he later undoes. Adrian Belew has a beige 'jumpsuit', O'Hearn a black T-shirt and Peter Wolf a red shirt..... Apart from Frank and Tommy going 'topless' later in the show the clothes seem to stay the same..... in other words the visuals don't match the edits........ or am I missing something?

Edit: I didn't see flambay's latest post but my question is still the same..... did they wear the same clothes both nights or is all the footage from one night?
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Post 2014-04-13 19:32   [Quote] 
In that first section of the guitar solo from Tiny Lights the film only has three shots: Bozzio wearing nothing but black shorts, FZ playing (these first two definitely match the music) and then a short shot from the back of the stage of Patrick, Adrian and Tommy playing the vamp, which could be from a different night that the music, as Patrick seems to be playing a bass fill in the soundtrack that we don't see him play.

As I recall there is also a change from 10 31 to another night in the film somewhere in the middle of the Black Page/Jones Crusher/Broken Hearts/Punky's sequence, so my guess is FZ did have the band wear the same clothes for all shows.
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Post 2014-04-14 02:57   [Quote] 
In fact the Tiny Lights solo in the film has five segments. Here is a rough breakdown of where the parts appear in the audience tapes:

10-31-77 [2:25-2:36]
10-31-77 [3:25-3:59]
10-30-77 [2:45-3:08]
10-30-77 [3:20-3:30]
10-30-77 [4:15-4:50]
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Post 2014-04-14 08:51   [Quote] 
Thanks for the info pb.
I've watched that film many, many times over the years and apart from the one obvious change in sound (when Tommy lights the cigarette) I didn't notice any edits at all and had always presumed it came from one night. That's what crafty editing and wearing the same clothes 2 days in a row (or 4!) can do I suppose...... Smile

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Post 2014-04-23 04:21   [Quote] 
thank you very much everyone

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thank you. my 1st and only show, a friend invited me to it Smile glad to have a copy after all these years
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