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The Masters - Sixteen Tons/Breaktime released 1961?  
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Post 2010-11-27 21:17   [Quote] 
I was just adding the other two Masters singles to ZappaFrenzy. I used the liner notes from The Masters - Singles & Rarities album to check the release years. Then i noticed this about Sixteen Tons/Breaktime:
"In May 1961, Buff invited Zappa to co-write something at Pal for the record’s B-side. Buff, Williams and Zappa came up with “Breaktime.” The record was released as Emmy E-1008 in June 1961."
This single has always been listed as a 1962 release... What do you folks think? Could it be a 1961 release?

Here is what the liner notes says about the release dates of the Masters singles that Zappa did not contribute to:

"Their first single “T Bone”/ “Sunday Blues” was released as Emmy E-1006 in October 1960 and was reviewed very positively in Billboard"

"The third and final Masters single was “Under The Earth”/ “Rolling Blues” (Emmy E-1009; released August 1961)"

Here are links to the labels:

T Bone/Sunday Blues http://www.zappafrenzy.com/non-z_singles/paul_buff_pal/1960-The_Masters-T-Bone_Sunday_Blues.html
Sixteen Tons/Breaktime http://www.zappafrenzy.com/singles/Singles_with_Frank_Zappa_contribution/1962-The_Masters-Sixteen_Tons-Breaktime/The_Masters-Sixteen_Tons-Breaktime.html
Under The Earth/Rolling Blues http://www.zappafrenzy.com/non-z_singles/paul_buff_pal/1961-The_Masters-Under_The_Earth-Rolling_Blues.html

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Post 2010-11-27 23:00   [Quote] 
This is an excerpt of the background notes to the recently released Vol. 1 of a series of albums by Paul Buff:

"Paul Buff Presents The Pal And Original Sound Studio Archives" - Only availabel as mp3 at the moment.

Maybe that helps. Wink

... The Masters started out as Paul Buff, lead guitarist Ronnie Williams and rhythm guitarist Johnny Fisher.
After releasing the single “T Bone”/ “Sunday Blues,” The Masters were just Buff and Williams on multi-tracked parts.
The only exception was “Breaktime,” a mid-1961 track that was co-written by Buff, Williams
and guitarist Frank Zappa, a friend of Ronnie Williams who first came to Pal Studios in late 1960. As nearly all
Zappa fans know, “Breaktime” was his first released recording and the record sells for hundreds of dollars ...
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Post 2010-11-27 23:02   [Quote] 
I already have these Pal Studio albums but thanks Smile . What i am suprised about is the fact that these download albums tells us that this single was released in 1961 and not 62... Every source I have seen lists this single as a 1962 release.

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Post 2010-11-27 23:16   [Quote] 
Maybe, it was in fact released 1962 but written/recorded/produced in 1961 - my pure speculation. Wink
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Post 2010-11-27 23:20   [Quote] 
Pittylabelle wrote:
Maybe, it was in fact released 1962 but written/recorded/produced in 1961 - pure speculation. Wink


But then you got this from The Masters - Singles & Rarities liner notes
"The record was released as Emmy E-1008 in June 1961."
and this
"The third and final Masters single was “Under The Earth”/ “Rolling Blues” (Emmy E-1009; released August 1961)"

the second should not have been released after 1961 If the third was released in 1961.

this could mean that the commonly know 1962 release is wrong.

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Post 2010-11-28 13:24   [Quote] 
From Completist’s Helper: FZ & FZ-Related Singles Tracks :

progrockfan wrote:
1962:
The Masters
Side B: Breaktime

FZ: co-writer with Paul Buff & Ronnie Williams, guitar

(FZ’s first-ever appearance on vinyl, and the rarest of all commercially released Zappa singles; less than 20 copies are known to exist today)

From the discussion thread:

UniMuta wrote:
16 tons is the merle travis classic.
Zappa co-wrote breaktime, the B-side of the single.
but as The Masters were williams, buff & zappa, fz can probably be heard on both tracks.

progrockfan wrote:
It is true that for the recording of Breaktime, 'The Masters' consisted of FZ, Paul Buff, and Ronnie Williams-- but The Masters were an actual rock group featuring Ronnie Williams on lead guitar. Apart from 16 Tons (the B-side of Emmy 1008), The Masters cut four other 7" sides at Pal Studio in 1962 with Paul Buff producing: T-Bone / Sunday Blues (Emmy 1006) and Under The Earth / Rolling Blues (Emmy 1009).

This information can & will be updated based on this ongoing conversation. Wink

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Post 2010-11-28 13:44   [Quote] 
Does anyone know who wrote the liner notes for the Masters and Pal Studio download albums?

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Post 2010-11-28 14:37   [Quote] 
knepo wrote:
Does anyone know who wrote the liner notes for the Masters and Pal Studio download albums?


Greg Russo.
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Al Fresco wrote:
Greg Russo.


Thanks!

Does anyone know how I can get in contact with Greg Russo?

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Post 2010-11-28 22:37   [Quote] 
knepo wrote:
Al Fresco wrote:
Greg Russo.


Thanks!

Does anyone know how I can get in contact with Greg Russo?


gregrusso (at) verizon.net
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Post 2010-11-28 23:40   [Quote] 
rumpelstilz wrote:

Maybe you can try here:

http://www.crossfirepublications.com/


Al Fresco wrote:

gregrusso (at) verizon.net


Thanks a lot!

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