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Post 2010-11-03 22:38   [Quote] 
Frank Zappa
Them Or Us outtakes
1984


This version: 26.34 min, A

Lineage: Maxell Epitaxial XLII Cassette>Nakamichi CR-7A cassette deck>Tascam US-122L> Sound Forge Pro 10.0 (record/edits/resample)>FLAC Level 8>wav (speed correction)>wav>FLAC Level 8
Tape collected by: Steve Hecht
Tape transferred by: Drew51
Edited by: The Bastard Son
Speed corrected by: flambay
Information (and knowledge): pbuzby, flambay, The Bastard Son

Setlist:

01 We're Turning Again [04:56]
02 Alien Orifice [04:09]
03 Nig Biz [03:03]
04 Lisa's Life Story [04:01]
05 Whippin' Post [05:39]
06 The Revenge of the Knick Knack People [00:51]
07 Won Ton On [03:56] cuts in, cuts out, music missing

I really apologize for the fuck-up, but apparently when I used Audacity to speed correct, I have apparently put the wrong values, so the tracks on the last seed run still slower than they should be. Also, since new corrections were made, this info file has been modified as well. We have included, this time, also a snippet of "The Revenge of the Knick Knack People" which was present after "Whippin' Post" on the original tape, because we have decided that, after all it probably belonged to the same "building reel". This tape was given to Drew by Steve Hecht. Tracks 1, 3 and possibly 4 have been seeded here before, but individually. Here they are in sequences probably prepared by FZ.

1- WE'RE TURNING AGAIN
Basic track: 1981 12 11 (E) Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA

Ike Willis on Thingfish vocals. Different mix than on Have I Offended Someone and FZ Meets The Mothers of Prevention. Instead of ending cold, it segues into "Alien Orifice", as on FZMOTP.

2- ALIEN ORIFICE
Basic track: Unknown location c. September 1981-July, 1982
FZ solo: Unknown 1982 show
Tommy Mars solo: 1981 12 10 (E) Community Theater, Berkeley, CA

Same version as on FZMOTP, but slightly different mix.

3- NIG BIZ
1982 07 14 Stadio Comunale La Favorita, Palermo, Italy

Same version as on YCDTOSA3, but different mix and edit, keeping just FZ's solo. The ending is not from Palermo and segues into the next track.

4- LISA'S LIFE STORY
1981 12 11 (E) Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA
1981 12 11 (L) Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA


Longer edit than on YCDTOSA6, containing a longer segment of "The Dangerous Kitchen" from the late show. Please note that Chad's part has already been overdubbed, and it's not the same as on the SBD tape.

5- WHIPPIN' POST
Body of the song: 1981 12 11 (L) Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA
1981 12 12 (L) Fox Theatre, San Diego, CA

or
1982 06 11 (E) Alte Oper, Frankfurt, Germany
FZ solo: 1982 06 11 (E) Alte Oper, Frankfurt, Germany

Some disagreement here. Pat says that the whole song is from Frankfurt, but I do think that the body of the song is the same as Them Or Us, just differently mixed. Either way, the guitar solo is without any doubt from Frankfurt, and it's different than the album version.

6- THE REVENGE OF THE KNICK KNACK PEOPLE

7- WON TON ON
UMRK, c. 1982-1984

This track was in another part of the tape, but as Mark Pinske said in an interview that they started to work on "Won Ton On" before "Ya Hozna", we have decided to include it here. This version, which is incomplete, is different both from Thing-Fish and True Glove. Just like on True Glove, it doesn't have any TF voices on it and it does have Johnny Guitar Watson's commentary, but just like on Thing Fish the falsetto backward vocals fade in at the beginning instead of starting together with all the rest. Also, Watson's commentary is placed in differently than on True Glove.

Credits:
Thanks to Steve Hecht for the source tape!
Thanks to Drew51 for collecting and transfering!
Thanks to Flambay speed correcting!
Thanks to Pbuzby and Flambay for identify most of the material!

Enjoy !!

The Bastard Son

www.zappateers.com/bb - November 2010

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Them Or Us Outtakes 01 We're Turning Again.flac:ca725c5a7f047c4b6bfb328d8ea1907f
Them Or Us Outtakes 02 Alien Orifice.flac:39b4ebb8c4310a276ad8782a5bc1e8fa
Them Or Us Outtakes 03 Nig Biz.flac:71ad925357d6ea6cc12d8a436661a7df
Them Or Us Outtakes 04 Lisa's Life Story.flac:bcfe81ea1685d8b66d1bd6d4a65372c1
Them Or Us Outtakes 05 Whipping Post.flac:014ba79e59fa0b86276ba15d0053d809
Them Or Us Outtakes 06 The Revenge of the Knick Knack People.flac:d0c14f802c2fc3d5e525d46cf7eb71e8
Them Or Us Outtakes 07 Won Ton On.flac:2f247ef47bbc8389f87f3be415105014

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Post 2010-11-04 03:16   [Quote] 
Thanks a million for your efforts of correcting
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Post 2010-11-04 09:40   [Quote] 
Many thanks to all involved.
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Post 2010-11-04 13:51   [Quote] 
I did some further comparison of this Whipping Post vs. the Them Or Us version.

The version here does seem to be entirely from Frankfurt 82, while in the TOU version the opening vocal section is from 1981 12 12 (L) San Diego, and the guitar solo is edited between 1981 12 11 (L) Santa Monica and the same San Diego show.

However, the ending (starting at "sometimes I feel") on Them Or Us is also this Frankfurt version.
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Mega thanks... I love the studio alternates!
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Post 2010-12-05 23:39   [Quote] 
Thank you to all who worked on this. TOU was my first Zappa disc and this is a great addition... tunes
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